Poverty in France and the RSA, figures?

[Christine]

or more simply, it depends on whether we take 817 euros or 681 euros as a reference - depending on whether it suits

using the threshold of 60% of median income [€ 817], as the European statistical institute Eurostat and increasingly INSEE practice, instead of 50%[€ 681] , poverty is doubled.

That's half, that corresponds.

[harry ravi]

The concern is: how to get out of this crisis?

To increase purchasing power, we must of course either reduce taxes or increase wages.

Taxes cannot be reduced, we are a 'social' country in the sense that our institution helps the most disadvantaged to the max ...

Entrepreneurs do not invest a lot in France ... apart from the wine, the clacos and the Eiffel Tower ......

The French import a lot more than they export .... the GDP is slammed.

To improve the health of French wealth it will be necessary:
- promote export ... difficult and unpredictable
- raise the taxes
- reduce aid
- consume more to create production demand
In most cases, the French will not like it ... but why not go through a difficult period and then leave in good condition?

Some will say that our dear politicians have only to be paid less, to have smaller cars with smaller drivers, ..... but we must not dream, they want it to their advantage and it is not a lasting solution ....

[Christine]

The French import much more than they export ....

What if we just started by consuming better et local ?

[Christophe]

To increase purchasing power, we must of course either reduce taxes or increase wages.

... or reduce the charges and fixed invoices (starting with the rents !!!) ...

To improve the health of French wealth it will be necessary:
(...)
- consume more to create production demand

You forgot to consume more FRENCH (or at least more localized production)

[harry ravi]

I totally agree with you but I think that everyone should take a small slap (see average) rather than giving a big slap to a single group of people.

To consume locally, some people do not understand that local farmers sell to individuals, cheaper than in supermarkets, but even if they would know, you have to go on weekends, look for the products ......
They do not understand that this type of outing is very pleasant, especially for children who are going to pick strawberries, apples, ....


Then you can become independent, cultivate your vegetable garden in your house with energy, water ... but the initial investment is high, and requires a lot of work (because the current society is rather lazy) .....

I hope that the policies will take a viable solution in the long term even if we have to endure a bad period in order to make up for our mistakes.

[C moa]

This is an interesting subject (not that the others are not getting along well ;-))

A few months ago, I read in an economic monthly (capital not to mention it) a study which gave the distribution of income declared by the French. I admit that this really caught my attention.
So, (remember but it costs a few hundred euros):
- 50% of French households declare less than € 17 per year, ie less than € 000 per month;
- 30% of French households declare less than € 35 per year, ie less than € 000 per month;

I don't remember the other installments, but that already means that 80% of French HOMES earn less than € 3000 per month.
Of course, if you are single, you can live, even in Paris, with 3000 € but a family ... whatever the place in France, I am a little more reserved and with 1400 € I am frankly pessimistic.
This is also why the poverty lines vary because they obviously depend on the number of people in the household.

Taxes cannot be reduced, we are a 'social' country in the sense that our institution helps the most disadvantaged to the max ...

Of course, but when we know that about 2/3 of CAF beneficiaries would be below the poverty line if they were not helped, I am still happy to be in a social country. What I find lamentable, however, is that the allocations are not subject to a resource cap.

Some will say that our dear politicians have only to be paid less, to have smaller cars with smaller drivers, ..... but we must not dream, they want it to their advantage

It is true that we must make efforts but why should they not?
For example, a few months ago, there was the reform of the special regimes. One of the only ones not to have been touched is that of the elect. Did you know that when a deputy has been elected for 5 years, he will receive € 1500 for his retirement? Did you know that if he does a second term, he will receive € 3000 in retirement? And so on. Knowing that they are paid around € 5000 net per month (for once, I think it is deserved), this means that after 5 years of work they will receive about 30% of their salary in retirement. After 10 years of work, they will reach nearly 60%. Do you know a lot of professions treated in this way?
A second example, until 2006 when a deputy was not re-elected, he received his full pay for 6 months. Just before the last legislative elections, they voted for a text passing this allowance from 6 to 60 months. The unemployed are stigmatized, but this still leaves a gap of at least € 270 per non-reelected deputy between the old and the new system. We can pay unemployed people and RSA with such a sum.

and it is not a lasting solution ....

I do not see how having better management of state funds is not a lasting solution. This is what allows the Spanish government to put in place an ambitious stimulus plan !!

[Christine]

This is also why the poverty lines vary because they obviously depend on the number of people in the household.

The number of people in the household is of course taken into account. The problem stems from the fact that the threshold amount varies according to the studies. For example the table below: the 1st figure corresponds to 50% of the average income, the 2nd to 60%. Social assistance is included.

Depending on whether one takes one or the other, the proportion of households below the threshold goes from single to double.

Disposable income corresponding to the poverty line according to the type of household in euros 2006 / month

Single people 880 733
Single-parent families, one child under 14 1
Single-parent families one child aged 14 or over 1 320
Couples without children 1 320
Couples one child under 14 1 584
Couples a child aged 14 or over 1 760
Couples with two children under 14 1 848
Couples with two children, including one under the age of 14 2 024
Couples two children over 14 years old 2 200

Scope: people living in metropolitan France in a household with a positive or zero declared income and whose reference person is not a student.
Source: Insee-DGFiP-Cnaf-Cnav-CCMSA, 2006 fiscal and social income survey.

[Christine]

I totally agree with you but I think that everyone should take a small slap (see average) rather than giving a big slap to a single group of people.

To consume locally, some people do not understand that local farmers sell to individuals, cheaper than in supermarkets, but even if they would know, you have to go on weekends, look for the products ......

I find that it is rather egalitarian: everyone to make a little effort. We all consume.

Consuming quality and local does not necessarily mean "frolicking in the fields, hair in the wind" (although it is pleasant). It can be at the supermarket by buying a local cheese by the cut rather than "p'ti kipleur" in their individual plastic shell made god knows where.

But hey, we are moving away from the subject a bit but I want to because there are choices that we can make and if we can doubt his political power as a citizen, let's not hesitate to use our real power: that consumer (or non-consumer).

[C moa]

I totally agree with you but I think that everyone should take a small slap (see average) rather than giving a big slap to a single group of people.

Having been in a very fair financial situation a few years ago and being more comfortable today, there is no photo, I prefer my current situation even if I pay taxes and even if I have to pay a little more to fund the RSA. Let us not forget one thing, the most modest of us spend 100% of what they earn so asking them to make 0.5 or 1% effort amounts to reducing their purchasing power by 0.5 or 1% for the essential. (very very) Few can save ...

After that you can become independent, cultivate your vegetable garden in your house, which has energy, water ... but the initial investment is high,

even if we deviate a bit from the subject, I am going from my little commentary.
Is ecology a rich man's problem? I don't think so, but the facts show that often only those who have (a little) money can take this topic into account.
Overall, an ecological house costs between 15 and 20% more expensive than a traditional house with minimum standards. A modest couple can easily get a loan for a traditional house, but not for a green house. Indeed, the banker will take into account the sacrosanct "debt ratio" without seeing that with an ecological house, the couple will make big savings on water, gas, electricity.
It's the same problem with people who get a loan for a house that is 30 km from their job. The banker does not take into account the fuel, the wear and tear of the car ....

Consuming quality and local does not necessarily mean "frolicking in the fields, hair in the wind" (although it is pleasant). It can be at the supermarket by buying a local cheese by the cut rather than "p'ti kipleur" in their individual plastic shell made god knows where.

Big surprise when I arrived in Milan all the fruits and vegetables were Italian.
In addition, there is a much larger choice. For example, there are not only very round and all red tomatoes.
I also have the feeling that the spirit of caliber does not exist here or they are much bigger. Some nectar was the size of an apple, some nectar the size of nectar.
Is there a cause and effect relationship, according to my dear and dear, the prices are lower here.