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Current Economy and Sustainable Development-compatible? GDP growth (at all costs), economic development, inflation ... How concillier the current economy with the environment and sustainable development.
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by Remundo » 01/05/09, 19:43

Quite Elephant and Captain '.

In fact, we have never been able to afford the best.

The problem is, "Average Man" is genetically programmed to go bad.

Because what interests him is power, and one of the main modern forms of power (money) so as to compel / destroy his fellow men and recently, also Nature, for his little personal profit.

This attitude was vital at the beginning of human history to ensure survival, but now the situation is so different that it risks causing a recession, far more than economic, a simply human recession, in the number of individuals and their standard of living.

We can say that the central problem is that human behavior evolves far too slowly compared to its technical level.

Thus, all societies, from the most primitive to the most advanced, are divided between a ruling elite, rich and generally knowledgeable, (if necessary by surrounding themselves with the best specialists) and a popular magma, relatively poor and most often uncultivated and gullible, very easy to handle.

Thus, "democracy" is generally a more or less authoritarian power giving the illusion to the people it governs ... The level of authoritarianism ranges between the bloodthirsty dictatorship and the relatively lax Western democracies when this laxity perpetuates the concentration of power.

In reality, whatever the regime, 90% of power is always concentrated in the hands of 5% of the population. And when these 5% are guided by their archeoencephalon, that is to say their instinctive greed for power, applied to the environment of the third millennium and to technological means which multiply their unhealthy influence, disasters happen and there are plenty of examples in the news ... Subprimes, energy wars, delusional weapons, various and varied traffics, hyperconcentrated structure and based on jealously limited resources (nuclear, gas and oil) of the energy supply, etc ...

I leave you on these spring thoughts ... Don't get depressed :P
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by elephant » 01/05/09, 21:02

Oulaaah! attention Remundo, I feel like I'm going to give you a talk about original sin! It's Calvin's year: he will be 500 years old on July 10!
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by louphil » 01/05/09, 21:05

And we must add to this that a large part of the population does not give a damn about this kind of consideration, as long as we leave it alone, that we do not ask it to think too much ... wants is to always consume a little more (which many informed people do not always escape either, it is sometimes hard not to "crack" ...), programs on their entertaining media and not headache, etc, etc ...
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by elephant » 01/05/09, 21:23

As Gilbert Trigano (Club Med) said

BBB: food, fucking, bronze

a little earlier, we said: "Panem et Circenses"
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by Capt_Maloche » 02/05/09, 12:37

elephant wrote:... (or almost: I was trying to domesticate a Sinclair ZX81).
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We were not unhappy in 1982, we were not unhappy in 2009.
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You shouldn't have screamed for that, Maloche! :D


I'm not shouting, I'm writing big :D

EH me too I started on a zx81 with 1Ko of ram that I could not save :D
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by Capt_Maloche » 02/05/09, 12:44

Remundo wrote:Quite Elephant and Captain '.

In fact, we have never been able to afford the best.
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We can say that the central problem is that human behavior evolves far too slowly compared to its technical level.

Thus, all societies, from the most primitive to the most advanced, are divided between a ruling elite, rich and generally knowledgeable, (if necessary by surrounding themselves with the best specialists) and a popular magma, relatively poor and most often uncultivated and gullible, very easy to handle.

Thus, "democracy" is generally a more or less authoritarian power giving the illusion to the people it governs ... The level of authoritarianism ranges between the bloodthirsty dictatorship and the relatively lax Western democracies when this laxity perpetuates the concentration of power.

In reality, whatever the regime, 90% of power is always concentrated in the hands of 5% of the population. [i] And when these 5% are guided by their archaeoencephalon,
...

I leave you on these spring thoughts ... Don't get depressed :P


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by orbs » 02/05/09, 13:21

Hello
Charles Darwin's theory is applicable to the human race, which can pose the pseudo contradiction between:
selection pressure on the one hand
the humanist concept whether it is of religious essence or / and
philosophical on the other hand.

I write "pseudo" because in my opinion this humanism participates in the process of survival of the human race.

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After subprime, gold, and the dollar




by I Citro » 26/11/09, 23:30

I learned today that the gold crisis, which we are trying to cover by all means to prevent it from breaking out like that of the subprime mortgage, takes a new turn ...

You may not know that those who have a lot of dollars are trying to get rid of it as discreetly as possible (to avoid its collapse) and place their money in safer securities.
3 possibilities come out on top:
- 1 / Buy gold, safe haven.
- 2 / Buy more "reassuring" currencies (Euro, Swiss Franc, ...)
- 3 / Buy real goods (companies, land, deposits of raw materials ...) instead of shares so the real value has become too "volatile".

Today, the bankruptcy of DUBAI, concealed from the general public for several months has broken out in the media, although minimized (the term bankruptcy has been avoided).

Another scandal, retained for several months, will not be long in exploding on the subject of gold ... The demand for this precious metal increasing, the banks did not hesitate to satisfy the "customers" ... Without for you might as well have the goods in stock ...
Some experts estimate that the banks have sold more than twice as much gold as they had. Customers only receiving a receipt because the banks offered to keep the precious ingots safe in their safes ...

But there is worse : Shock: We learned today that the Banks have exchanged large quantities of FALSIFIED ingots!
"Thickened" with 50% TUNGSTENE (this metal has a density close to that of gold), in the center of the ingot and covered with gold.
Obviously, the ingots were supplied with splendid certificates of authenticity, issued by the banks ...

For now, we know that gold comes from the USA and England ...

For those who did not understand during the so-called "subprime" crisis; banks not only scam their customers and states but also devour each other ...
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by Christophe » 27/11/09, 07:53

Daily press review:

Libé makes humor !!

Dubai, online bankruptcy to emir


http://www.liberation.fr/economie/01016 ... gne-d-emir

Dubai's difficulties plunge the CAC 40

[27/11/09]
The financial difficulties of the emirate of Dubai threw a chill among French investors. Exposed, bank stocks suffered sharp declines.

The calendar suggested a calm session. The American markets, Thanksgiving forces, were closed. No significant economic indicator was in sight. But, in the end, the star index of the Parisian place ended the day below the bar of 3.700 points, at 3.679,23 points, on a vertiginous fall of 3,41%. You have to go back to April to find a withdrawal of the same magnitude in a single session. The volumes traded, at almost 3,5 billion euros on the SRD, nevertheless show that a number of investors abstained, before the closing of the New York Stock Exchanges.

At the heart of this sharp correction: the financial difficulties displayed by the emirate of Dubai, two of whose sovereign firms are now trying to review the terms of their claims. Perceived as one of the pearls of the Gulf, the small State benefited until now from the attraction of a booming real estate market. The announcement caused trouble in financial circles and rekindled fears of a prolonged crisis. No CAC stocks ended the day in the green.

Building material suppliers suffered the largest declines. Lafarge fell 6,76% and Saint-Gobain sank 6,27%. Goldman Sachs downgraded its recommendation on Saint-Gobain from "neutral" to "sell". Financial stocks were no better oriented. AXA (- 6,16%), Crédit Agricole (- 5,6%), Dexia (- 5,65%), BNP Paribas (- 5,06%) and Société Générale (- 5,99%) suffered the bad news from the Gulf. Credit Suisse analysts have estimated the total exposure of European banks to Dubai debt to 13 billion euros. EDF declined by 2,52%. The new CEO of the electrician, Henri Proglio, has excluded any stake in certain activities of Areva. He nevertheless wanted an industrial alliance with Veolia Environnement (- 2,37%), of which he remains the president. Renault lost 5,32%. The cabinet of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin announced the signing of a memorandum of understanding Friday on the restructuring of AvtoVAZ. EADS dropped 4,2%.

MATHIEU ROSEMAIN, Les Echos


http://www.lesechos.fr/journal20091127/ ... cac-40.htm

And the world:

The bursting of the bubble forced Dubai to urgently reschedule its debt


http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... _3234.html

The "influenza A beer" plan was not enough to mask the system's scam ...
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by Remundo » 27/11/09, 12:19

Ah again a story of ties that the billions embarrass ... :frown:

Line of emir, well seen : Cheesy:

For “safe haven” purchases, there are only two: land and energy production sites. The first to eat, the second to get around and have a fridge.

More generally all that is material and functional: homes or factories / workshops can have their role too.

Everything else is blank, and again, blank is better than gold. :P

Because gold cannot be eaten, it does not heat, and it does not shelter. : Idea:
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