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Current Economy and Sustainable Development-compatible? GDP growth (at all costs), economic development, inflation ... How concillier the current economy with the environment and sustainable development.
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by ThierrySan » 04/05/07, 18:17

And, we fall again into the war of graduates ... One thing is certain: those who do not have diplomas find work more easily than those who have them. It is a fact !!

In addition, my cousin who has a BTS in industrial IT has a harder time finding a job than someone who has no diplomas ... And, we must not come and say that it is because the sector is not flourishing! On the contrary ... We are simply in a system of chills that no longer have the balls to recruit people who have diplomas without experience, without knowing what it is worth ... For that, there are fixed-term contracts and training that exists in France !! They always prefer to take someone who has 10 years of experience in the SAME type of position and in the SAME industry, with the lowest possible salary ...

For my part, qd I obtained the BAC in 1995, I asked myself the question if I preferred to go to the building or to industry, with the possibility of passing a diploma that can allow me to express my creativity. So, I found at the time: architect or industry. I chose the industry because at the time it was said that to get into the first profession, you had to pass multitudes of post-graduate competitions to be recognized and that there was a lot of unemployment in the profession.
For industry, two paths were open to me: the university or engineering schools. I will not lie by saying that I passed the engineering school competition so that I know my weaknesses and my strengths. I passed my competition in school and I thought it was better to have an engineering diploma recognized by the state than to have university diplomas which were less recognized in the profession. Conclusion I graduated in 2001. And, I have only worked 21 months since. I have NEVER been able to find a job without the help of anyone! The first job I had, I got it thanks to an acquaintance of my internship tutor. Since I no longer wish to find a job with the help of someone, I have NEVER had a job !!! However, I passed more than 30 interviews !!! All paid, largely from my pocket !! All-round: Strasbourg, Lyon, Montpelier, Paris, Bordeaux, Toulouse ...

Conclusion: always unemployed !! Most of the interviews I went through were for jobs that didn't interest me. Those that interested me, I have never been summoned for ... even for positions that have remained apparent on the net for more than 1 year ... Is the job market pipo? !! Is it only people who already have a job who find a job ?!
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by ThierrySan » 04/05/07, 18:39

It is high time to stop believing in the speech of Srko who is trying to sell us a dairy cow for the best of the bulls!

All he tells us about the job is PIPOOOOOOOOOOO !!!! It is not by reducing taxes on overtime that we will have more work in France !! The bosses will use it against us by forcing us to work more !! Under his government, the CNE was supposedly for people who did not have diplomas, but it is those who have them who have the most !! You have to go to work at the other end of France without job guarantees (in this case, who will pay us for the apartment ?!) !! It is not by withdrawing the ISF that the people of the proletariat will have more money (is it not NLC ?!). It is not by putting a tax shield at 50% that workers at the bottom of the ladder will have more money (isn't it NLC ?!) !!

It is not by chanting "I promise unemployment will drop to 5%" that people will necessarily have more jobs. In three years, I went from unemployment to RMI ... And it is not by going to unload trucks with a devil that I will have more experience to practice my profession !!!

It is not passing a treaty between the countries of Europe, without a referendum (which was only made for the constitution, supposedly), that people will live in a beautiful Europe!

On the contrary !!
Expect to work more to not be paying much more (I know something !!) ... Wait until the job markets are open with the countries of the East. Expect to see the wealthy fallen retrieve their money from the backs of others, without doing anything but playing economist in action behind his desk ... Expect to pay more tickets! Expect to be shot by your neighbors or cameras! Expect to be added to lists of terrorist nicknames because you wrote comments classified as anti-republican on a blog! Expect to see you file if you go to see the whores !! Expect to see your children registered on lists as pseudo future killers !!

Mister Sarko will NEVER have my ENTIRE LIFE, my voice, for ANY election !!!! Even if it was to be President of the association for the defense of white chickens in bass courts !!!
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by Christophe » 04/05/07, 18:54

Thank you Thierry for telling us about your post-graduate situation (which perfectly matches mine as you know) ... for the rest I have nothing to add except (as usual) a Toutafé Thierry : Cheesy:

I like your series of "Let's wait" ... here is mine (more general): "So let's expect an economic and social catastrophe in the event of the sarkozysation of France ..."

ps: for our "pro" situation, I think I found the cause of all this: unemployed it must be indicated in our genes !! : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
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by zac » 04/05/07, 20:09

Hello

gentlemen engineers: emigrate to poor countries.

You will not be paid more, but you will be able to use your skills (it avoids rusting them), you will be of service and then misery is still cooler in the sun : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

in addition if (which I doubt), you decide to return to France later: "designer and operator of a crushing plant" (for example) it is better for an engineer on a CV than handling at carrefour :P

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by frog » 04/05/07, 23:03

nlc wrote:Phew, thank you, I feel less alone.

And I know there are many others in our case, now is the time, don't be fooled.


Indeed, so-called "right-wing" people want to preserve the environment.
NLC, MOULIN and the others, I am with you even if I do not like the person of Sarkozy; and Royal sorry ...
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by I Citro » 04/05/07, 23:15

Here is the answer to his copy which reached me by email this evening ...

> Shall we redo the match?
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> Two or three comments on some subjects of the debate on Wednesday evening, between Ségolène Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy. Choice, and in bulk: security, pensions, working time, the share of nuclear energy in France, Iran ... And a bonus at the end ...
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> 1) Security
> Nicolas Sarkozy's assessment is:
> - 432 official victims of assault in 000.
> - + 30% attacks since 2002.
> - + 26% for the number of incidents of violence at school.
> - 12 police officers assaulted in 000.
> - 3 weeks of riots due to poor management of the fall 2005 crisis.
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> When yesterday 20 cars burned per year, it was for Nicolas Sarkozy a "failure of the left". He was right. Jospin's government, focused on economic recovery and massive reductions in unemployment, failed on security. He also paid dearly for it in the 000 presidential election.
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> But, with nearly 45 cars burned on average each year since 000 and an unprecedented increase in violence and crime, would it not be a failure of Sarkozy, Minister of the Interior for more than 2002 years in the outgoing government?
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> The record of the former Minister of the Interior is particularly bad. And, despite his speeches all to the glory of his self-promotion, despite a certain indulgence of the media towards him, the incompetence of candidate Sarkozy in matters of security is demonstrated by this catastrophic record.
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> Shortly after taking up his post, he humiliated several senior officials of the national police in Toulouse, live on television, to challenge the merits of preventive actions.
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> Repression is essential but, to be useful, it must be both effective and carried out at the same time as prevention. You can only walk well on two legs. If you jump on one, cutting the other, you end up falling, or risking a rupture of the ligaments.
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> Demonstration has been made today that there is an urgent need to give justice back the means to function quickly and efficiently, and to give the police forces a relevant organization. Relevant in the deployment of these forces on the territory (not to concentrate all the police force to keep the beautiful addresses of the beautiful districts of Paris or Neuilly, but to assign it more where it is most useful to respond to the anxiety of those living in insecurity), relevant in its missions (prevention and repression).
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> During the debate, Sarkozy joked about Ségolène Royal's wish to escort the policewomen back to their homes (following the recent rapes of two of them). However, a device with the same objective for women working at night already exists in Montreal, where buses accompany them to the feet of their buildings. In the suburbs, evening patrols can bring back policewomen. It costs nothing.
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> 2) Retreats
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> Nicolas Sarkozy made a bigger lie than him by claiming that the financing of pensions was resolved by the Fillon Law until 2020. The Conseil d'Orientation des Retraites (COR) actually says that there is a shortfall of around 50 % of the funding, and moreover, that a meeting in 2008 will be essential to find a solution to fill the "hole".
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> Thus, Nicolas Sarkozy deceives the French on the Fillon law: apart from the injustices it creates, it does not solve anything on the financial level since the funding need for pension plans will be, at least, 0,7% of GDP per year by 2025 according to COR.
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> Nicolas Sarkozy promises what he will not be able to keep. He announced yesterday that he would increase small pensions by 25% by financing this measure through the reform of special schemes. This increase would spontaneously cost at least 10 billion euros. However, the return to balance of special regimes can only be done in the long term, by definition. In addition, the weight of these plans is overestimated: only 7% of expenses.
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> Equality will force everyone to accept that the conditions for the survival of their pension scheme be re-discussed, in order to safeguard the pay-as-you-go system which ensures solidarity between the generations (otherwise, it will be the funded system, which allows only holders to comfortable income throughout their life to pay for retirement). But this discussion will have to take into account all the parameters, starting with the differences in life expectancy and the arduous nature of the professions. So: no dogma, but discussion, negotiation, rather than Sarkozy's method which aims to pit one against the other, to divide social categories (divide to better rule?)
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> On the Pension Reserve Fund, Nicolas Sarkozy could hardly show off! Since 2002, its endowment has hardly increased, standing at 30 billion, while the Finns are at 200 billion ... To move forward, Ségolène Royal first proposes to revive growth and add to the Fund thanks to the resulting new resources for public finances. In this context, also providing that profits contribute more seems the least of things (social contribution on profits, tax on insurance contracts, taxes on stock market profits).
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> 3) Working time, 35 hours, overtime
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> Sarkozy did not respond on the 35 hours: why did he not delete them? He had to recognize in front of Ségolène Royal, that they were a great social advance!
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> On overtime: the two Fillon Laws already largely allow recourse to overtime, with a contingent of 220 hours possible. 37% of full-time employees work overtime and work 55 hours per year on average. Less than 40% of full-time employees worked an extra hour in 2006.
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> Working overtime means spending less time on family life (not everyone can afford it) or on leisure, and it is more fatigue. In purely economic terms, to stay in the logic of Sarkozy, it is counterproductive.
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> By ideologically bittering against the 35-hour week, Sarkozy is in line with the Right which fought the paid holidays of 1936, brought about by the Popular Front and the government of Léon Blum. So not only is Sarkozy swollen to now quote Leon Blum in his speeches, but he forgets that, not to mention the considerable social and human progress that this has constituted, the paid holidays of 1936 are directly at the origin of the tourism economy. in France. France is today the 2nd tourist country in the world.
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> The measure of Nicolas Sarkozy, to increase overtime, would cost at least 5 billion euros, according to the study by Pierre Cahuc and Patrick Artus, for the Economic Analysis Council. This same study showed that this measure would destroy employment. A company of 20 people would destroy 2 jobs to make others work 4 hours overtime.
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> Ségolène Royal's “helping hand” costs only 180 euros per month in addition to the legal increase (the legal increase will be 3% on July 1, ie as soon as his government is put in place) for a company of 10 employees. Which company with 10 employees cannot pay this amount? In addition, it redistributes purchasing power and increases consumption.
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> In any case, in which country, in which economy, Nicolas Sarkozy saw that it is the employees who choose their working hours? An employment contract is a relationship of subordination between an employee and an employer. And that's understandable enough, because a business cannot grow if its employees come "à la carte". But, in return for this link of subordination, labor law protects employees.
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> The "just order" in this area is to combine both a policy of helping businesses that create jobs and the preservation of the social rights of employees, who are all the more efficient at work that they work in security: security of their future, security of their health, and that they know that they have time left to devote themselves also to their family or to their leisure activities.
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> Respect for the value of work means paying for work at its fair value. And it is respecting those who have only their work to live.
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> 4) The share of nuclear power in France
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> On the EPR, Nicolas Sarkozy did not dispute the position of his government, which imposed this equipment without consultation and then ensured its launch by a decree issued just days before the presidential election. Ségolène Royal will put the file back on the table.
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> Ségolène Royal is right to recall that the share of nuclear power represents 17% of the total energy (electricity, gas, coal, oil, hydraulic, renewable energies) consumed in France (even if it made a slip, speaking of “Electricity” instead of “energy”). The 17% figure put forward by Ségolène Royal corresponds in fact to the share of nuclear power in the energy consumed in France, and not in electricity production alone.
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> Nuclear power represents 78% of the electricity produced in France, but it covers only 17% of the energy consumed in France. Nuclear power represents barely 2% of the energy consumed on the planet, which makes it marginal energy (although the nuclear risk is maximum).
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> The 50% figure put forward by Nicolas Sarkozy simply does not correspond to anything. He was also seriously mistaken in confusing the generations of reactors. Sarkozy thus confused the 3rd and 4th generation of nuclear reactors. Everyone makes mistakes, but when the mistake is made by whoever was responsible for the file (a sensitive file), it is not reassuring.
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> This incompetence is all the more surprising since it was indeed Nicolas Sarkozy, when he was Minister of the Economy in 2005, who launched the EPR project, known as the 3rd generation. This incompetence is all the more worrying since he was then Minister of the Interior and Regional Planning. As such, he was directly responsible for the installation and safety of large-scale and risky industrial equipment.
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> The oil / gas / coal trio covers approximately 70% of the energy consumed in France (oil 45%, gas 21%, coal 4%). Contrary to what is often said, nuclear power ultimately represents only a small part of the energy consumed in France because it can only meet specific and limited needs. This is why the French energy bill (not even counting the nuclear bill) has doubled in 3 years: nuclear power does not protect France from soaring energy prices ... but it does run a real risk to the whole country (in the event of a nuclear accident). In addition, the nuclear bill also promises to be very heavy (dismantling of facilities, waste management): several hundred billion euros.
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> In summary, nuclear energy is too marginal to be able to protect France from the rise in the price of energy, and nuclear power is ultimately a very bad financial deal for France.
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> The choice of Ségolène Royal is to ensure the energy independence of France, to promote sustainable development by giving priority to renewable energies, so that in the coming years their share in total energy consumption increases gradually. It is a question of survival for our resources, our environment, our public finances.
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> 5) Iran
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> Nicolas Sarkozy has still not grasped the terrible stake for the security of the world. Switching from civilian nuclear to military nuclear is a question of uranium enrichment.
> The position of Ségolène Royal, which is that of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the European Union and the United Nations Security Council, is to say: for Iran, no nuclear civil for Iran as long as the Iranian state does not submit to IAEA controls.
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> And as a bonus:
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> http://elections.france2.fr/presidentie ... 473-fr.php
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by Christophe » 05/05/07, 11:05

Too bad it's indictment "anti sarko" are always too long (too many words that do not encourage most Internet users to read them) ... I know there are a lot of "negative" things to say on the question but a 20-line report with the main facts would be more effective ... Anyway, now it's too late ... fingers crossed for tomorrow :|
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by elephant » 05/05/07, 17:24

we can always hope that the sarkozists think it is won and stay in their slippers on Sunday: this has already been seen :D

bravo citro, for one of the longest posts (except photos) from econologie.com! :D

some brief comments on this intervention:

1) Sarko assessment: there's even a guy who published a book on it, banned from sale, fortunately available on the internet!

2) overtime: actually Sarko's idea is pretty silly
that said, I would be quite in favor of being able to work 4 days.

3) nice analysis on pensions: there is no miracle: when at the end of the 65th century, the reichstag wanted to introduce retirement at XNUMX, Bismarck said to opponents: "Come on, Gentlemen, at that age, there will hardly be anyone left to take advantage of it "The situation has changed a lot: we don't die!

4) 17% share of nuclear power in the overall energy produced in France. But 30% of savings possible "easily". Doesn't it make you think? especially since in any case the price of nuclear energy will also increase: + 650% on the price of uranium in a few years and new extremely expensive plants!

5) Iran: logical and balanced, but we must spare the goat and the cabbage: which will deliver new plants to them in a few years, France, the USA or the Pakistanis, the Indians or the Chinese ????
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by Christophe » 05/05/07, 18:32

elephant wrote:bravo citro, for one of the longest posts (except photos) from econologie.com! :D


Pfff it does not count it is a copy-pasted! : Mrgreen:
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by elephant » 05/05/07, 19:24

in fact, long live me, I read everything! :D
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