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Re: World in which we live preview




by dede2002 » 15/01/17, 12:39

Hello Grelinette,

I think that if the reflex of survival is in our genes, solidarity and sharing enabled our ancestors to prosper invade the world. She would rather that memetic genetics, necessary for the start of growth.
Memetics is evolving faster than genetics, currently solidarity is no longer necessary to operate the system, on the contrary ...

In your transition group, everyone is an "actor" of the current system, but obviously looking for an "other system", which remains to be created.

These advertisements from group members could beings considered likes clumsy attempts pooling in exercising his profession?

As in certain martial arts, where the kinetic energy of the "assailant" is used to deflect it effortlessly, one could, instead of blocking and fleeing, "pooling" these pseudo-announcements to achieve (can -be) to other forms of exchange?

Individually, each player in the system that is must support themselves, often on credit, struggling in the workings of the system, the survival gene is still there ...
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by Ahmed » 15/01/17, 21:37

Your analysis seems to me excellent, as usual, and individual system pressure on each of us, a reality.

Unconsciously, this time, the desire to accelerate the dissipation of energy results from adhering to concepts like "progress" or "modernism" and although many of us perceive that there is a close and causal relationship between this much celebrated waste (under other epithets!) and our progressive self-destruction, the resulting discomfort, far from provoking a general rejection (which would require a way to express itself) finds an additional audience by this deadly side and "no future" which would definitively resolve the question. : roll:
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by sen-no-sen » 16/01/17, 10:32

Grelinette wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:The reasons are very simple, when the conditions are difficult you have to know how to "stick together", there is a need for mutual aid.
Conversely when conditions become easier, the need for the other reduced, which promotes individualist behavior.

True, but in this case what surprises me is indeed basically a group is formed, based on mutual support, solidarity and collective energies to unite in the face of difficult conditions and within this group behaviors resurface very individualistic, behavior that is inherently contradictory to the basis of the group, or even destructive group.
For example, whenever you attempt to opportunistic exploitation and more or less insidious group, immediately following a series of stalls many other group members.


In sociology we consider that a group really starts to exist from 4 people from here appear different phenomena through its constituents, such as the appearance of a natural leader.
The larger the group increases in size, and more the order of precedence becomes strong (hierarchy), some trying systematically imposed their point of view, which can quickly discourage other member picked some freedom.

Upon reflection, the question I asked myself this finding (this latent opportunism resurfaces in any situation), it is whether this behavior is part of ourselves as a kind of innate reflex (certainly beneficial in crisis ) that appears suddenly, without our knowledge, if an opportunity presents itself,
or if this behavior is a kind of societal "formatting" which makes us act in line with what society teaches us, namely that capitalist (individualistic) behavior is most suited to our society today!


There really this was neither acquired or innate, but a mixture of both.
We are talking of Baldwin effect, Namely that in a situation given certain individual are developing strategies (cultural), so those will appear as effective, they give their selective advantage.
This selective advantage of cultural origin will then be preserved and passed from generation to generation.
Thus would have appeared most altruistic behavior.
Note however that his last have a limit, and that many opportunists have seized one little part of option and recovered much ... the world of hyper-specialization * in which we live tends to encourage this kind behaviors.


* At a time the workers started most often in companies at an early age and spent all their careers, they accumulated so quickly a reputation and recognition.
In today's world or changing more and more quickly, the "turn over" is permanent, competition between members rose leaves that social relations are paying a heavy tribus.La strategy mercenary develops more quickly, account only the individual success because anyway the company will no qualms you replaced in due time or move you licensier site, so logic to find his behavior outside companies ... these are the consequences of the liberal world.
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by eclectron » 19/01/17, 12:25

After the financial aspect of "the world we live in" and its share of problems; financial aspect which takes root in human psychology, here is another angle of observation "of the world in which we live".

This time it is the energy aspect, of course linked with 2 previous aspects that are man and money.
Nothing is inseparable on this small blue sphere that hosts us.

Seen again and again for most of you, here's a new Jancovici conference.
He just changed the form of his speech. Its findings and conclusions remain unchanged.
Again, I strive to share the findings that seem irrefutable.
To discuss course : Wink: and conclusions, each will own.

Good viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUNovJemYKcdKt7PDdptJZfQ&v=JauNIUgQEz4

the energy aspect longer seems important to understand because it is related to physics that does not bend to human wishes.
The leeway energy is low now, unlike the human and financial aspect there where everything is allowed, just really wanting.
Energy is more to do as a constraint with which he must deal.
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by sen-no-sen » 19/01/17, 12:57

eclectron wrote:
This time it is the energy aspect, of course linked with 2 previous aspects that are man and money.
Nothing is inseparable on this small blue sphere that hosts us.


Of course, since human economy and are fully controlled by the flow of energy through them.
Energy (in a broad sense) has effects on beliefs, politics, morals, social relations, etc ...
For example, there is a direct relationship between power dissipation and ... number of divorces! : Lol:

https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2121566 See Figure 1, it appears that the number of marriages falling sharply after the oil crisis of 1973, as do we see a peak in divorce 2006 (peak oil) Weird? Not so on insofar as it is the energy that determines the structures as well as biological, social, societal or economic.
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by Ahmed » 19/01/17, 18:29

Indeed, money or energy are two aspects of the same phenomenon. From this point of view, it is wrong to write, as you suggest, EclectronThat human psychology is a key current issues, since it is rather that she is determined ...
I do not see so much problem with the supply of energy which remains superabundant; where it "gets stuck", it is rather certain constraints of adaptation in a global framework where the system gradually disintegrates and becomes incapable of facing changes which would have "boosted" it at other times (and to much greater difficulties).
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by eclectron » 19/01/17, 19:04

Ahmed wrote:Indeed, money or energy are two aspects of the same phenomenon. From this point of view, it is wrong to write, as you suggest, EclectronThat human psychology is a key current issues, since it is rather that she is determined ...
I do not see so much problem with the supply of energy which remains superabundant; where it "gets stuck", it is rather certain constraints of adaptation in a global framework where the system gradually disintegrates and becomes incapable of facing changes which would have "boosted" it at other times (and to much greater difficulties).


: Lol: ou : Evil: I hesitate ... changes nothing : Lol: and do not ask you to :?:
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by eclectron » 19/01/17, 19:47

Ahmed wrote:Indeed, money or energy are two aspects of the same phenomenon. From this point of view, it is wrong to write, as you suggest, EclectronThat human psychology is a key current issues, since it is rather that she is determined ...
I do not see so much problem with the supply of energy which remains superabundant; where it "gets stuck", it is rather certain constraints of adaptation in a global framework where the system gradually disintegrates and becomes incapable of facing changes which would have "boosted" it at other times (and to much greater difficulties).


The company is the sum of human, the rules that govern society are not falling from the sky or emerged spontaneously p'tête that man with his psychology is there for something?
The company is the exact projection of what we are all inside ourselves, to varying degrees, while the stp childish speech of the man who undergoes the company and its evil rules, you repasseras ...
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