Malus ecological tax on the sale of energy-consuming housing?

[Woodcutter]

But, b ... why do you want to tax?

The tax is not an end in itself! This is the way to "encourage" owners looking for an easy gain to improve the energy performance of the goods they want to sell with the maximum profit ...

The buyer can find out.

The buyer often has little or no choice. And in the vast majority of cases, either he knows nothing about it, or he is advised by someone biased (real estate agent ...) who will not tell him the whole raw truth, for fear of losing a sale ...

When the seller, he is sufficiently taxed by his excessive energy expenditure and the lower price he gets. Anyway, sellers don't usually have the money before the sale to do the work, that's why they sell.

Very often, the seller does not care completely about the performance of the property he sells! As for the lower price he gets, it's completely wrong for now ...

And for the lament of the poor penniless property owner, you will come back ...

[elephant]

Bucheron wrote:

And for the lament of the poor penniless property owner, you will come back ..

..and I do not agree with it, (but then not at all) there are very many cases of:

debt emergency sales
estate sales

In short, it is not because we have a rotten house for sale that we have, available, 7000 to 50000 euros in front of us, far from it. And the craftsmen are not in the habit of waiting for the sale of the building to be paid, especially since often part of the proceeds of the sale can be seized by the tax authorities!

On the other hand, when you are in a position to buy a house, asking an architect to "come and see" is not very expensive.

[Woodcutter]

[...] sales of emergencies due to debts
estate sales

What proportion of sales?

On the other hand, when you are in a position to buy a house, asking an architect to "come and see" is not very expensive.

Same question as above ...

I do it for my own knowledge, but very few (really very few ...) people currently take care of the energy functioning of their house when thinking about purchasing ...

I hope it will change!

[elephant]

lumberjack wrote:

What proportion of sales?

In my opinion, important, if not, why would you want to sell your house? Since the majority of the population has modest incomes ....., that many people lose their old parents, their job or go bankrupt ....

I do it for my own knowledge, but very few (really very few ...) people currently take care of the energy functioning of their house when thinking about buying ...
I hope it will change!

Don't worry, it won't be long. I was also involved in the sale process of several houses and one of the most frequent questions was: Do you have an idea of ​​the consumption of fuel oil (gas)? Perhaps we are more connected to this in Belgium: we must also see people's interest in the presence or not of double glazing and they use it to haggle.

In short, dear Bucheron, between old regulars of forums , we are not going to argue endlessly, I stand by my opinion and I told you why.

On the other hand, I have more sympathy for the desire for taxation by the Brussels region of unoccupied buildings (like 500 euros / m of facade / floor) because in the case at hand, if you have no money ( to renovate and rent): sell to whoever has it.
- "Yes, but I will have to sell below the price"
- "So much the better, accommodation is too expensive in Brussels"

[Woodcutter]

lumberjack wrote:

What proportion of sales?

In my opinion, important, if not, why would you want to sell your house?

In disorder: to make a profit, to buy a bigger one, because you change your job, because you start cleaning, etc ...

Since the majority of the population has modest incomes ....., that many people lose their old parents, their job or go bankrupt ....

: Shock:
Is it really that different from France, Belgium?

[elephant]

Many more Belgians own their homes, which does not mean that they are wealthy, it is on the contrary an act of good management. (a couple buys their house without too much trouble using a mortgage loan, it is often cheaper than a rent. When the last spouse dies, the house is paid for a long time but he only had his little pension. And that doesn't mean the heirs are wealthy either)
There are fewer tenants and fewer HLMs.

Now things are not going so well (from 1986 to 2006, house prices tripled while wages increased from 1,75 to 1,85 only) But until 1995, access to property was very easy: find a house to renovate for less than 40.000 euros was common.

[Christophe]

Elephant, I remind you that Belgium is considered a pseudo real estate tax haven!

I say pseudo because it is relative to France.

In short, apart from the purchase price (which has remained "honest" in Belgium except in certain areas) it is cheaper to own a property in Belgium than in France! But hey, it's not really my field ...

For the rest (% of owner / tenant / credit), there are studies ... to find but it is not really the debate here if?

[Targol]

This idea of ​​tax does not necessarily seem bad to me provided that that it works on the bonus / malus system.
Namely that bad students, by their increased tax, compensate the zero-rating of good students.
Basically, given the state of the housing stock in France, this measure would initially amount to overtaxing the vast majority of transactions.
If the additional income generated is kept to face future zero-rated payments, why not. On the other hand, if it is used for something else and the measure is abandoned as soon as the trend reverses because there is no more money for bonuses, then No.

[Christophe]

No no no bonus mentioned in this case there ... and given the cold shower that the government is taking with the bonus of the cars (400 M € deficit) I do not think that we will review such a system anytime soon.

It is therefore the taxpayer who will pay the bill for the renewal of the car fleet, super ecology will still be expensive!

[Christine]

"It does not panic [from sellers] because the fundamentals remain good," said the group [/ b].

What are "the fundamentals"?



In the rest of the article: l

Minister of Ecology Jean-Louis Borloo mentioned a few days ago the possibility of exemption from transfer taxes for the purchase of ecologically efficient housing

It's an indirect bonus, isn't it? It will still be a mess ...