Hole of the Social Security, some figures ...

[Macro]

2008 figures:

Pedestrians 580
Cyclists 159
Mopeds 313
Motorcyclists 844
VL 2

TogetherKilled in 2008 4

Sorry ... I was mistaken following a reading in which I had caught an info of the kind 2 killed on three are pedestrians or cyclists ... The article spoke of accidents in agglomerations ...

As for road deaths according to the new standards of the Ministry of Transport for 3 years ... The figures have simply decreased following a change in the accounting for deaths ...

Before, we considered an accident victim who died at the hospital 5 days after the accident as deceased on the road ...

Now we count it only three days ...
Basically ... We must always be in the 6000 to 7000 dead / years following AVP ... by following the old calculation methods ... By counting them at 1 month as in the 80s ... I won't explain not even the fiasco ...

[boubka]

hello macro

Before, we considered an accident victim who died at the hospital 5 days after the accident as deceased on the road ...

Now we count it only three days ...
Basically ... We must always be in the 6000 to 7000 dead / years following AVP.

sorry to contradict you but it's all wrong, and it's even the opposite
before there was a death when he died on the road, then up to 6 days after and since 2005 it is thirty days after.
if we had kept the same benchmark as at the time then we would be much lower than today

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... hKwPMs.pdf

[Macro]

In France???? Moto magazine (and the FFMC) would have lied to us for years ????

At the time of the establishment of the new BACC (2004 from memory) they had raised a big hare ... Like what the BACC could not be retouched beyond the validations made by the gendarmerie or the police ... And that the hospitals grunted because they were forced to affect the deaths on other sections ....

My memory is really playing tricks on me ...
All I remember was the very evidence of the implementation of this file with its calculation system at the same time as the implementation of the great policy of automatic radar scanning of French roads ...

I'm going to have to repair my entire motorcycle mag collection of the time.

In any case, what is certain is that the authorities have 6 days to transmit the BACC. Then it is the road safety observatories which correct the figures (state bodies) ...

I was embarked once by the firefighters for a motorcycle accident ... The blues arrived 3 / 4hours after my departure..Never came to see if I was still alive at the host or even I was drunk ... Another BACC classified without gravity ...

[Christine]

At the time of the establishment of the new BACC (2004 from memory) they had raised a big hare ... Like what the BACC could not be retouched beyond the validations made by the gendarmerie or the police ... And that the hospitals grunted because they were forced to affect the deaths on other sections ....

My memory is really playing tricks on me ...
All I remember was the very evidence of the implementation of this file with its calculation system at the same time as the implementation of the great policy of automatic radar scanning of French roads ...

So it's a collective hallucination because I have the same memories ...

[Christophe]

+1, same ... for me the limit of those killed following an accident has been reduced and not increased!

Thank you for the .pdf boubka but it does not say what was there BEFORE 1/1/2005! So should you take your word for it?

Among the victims, there are:

- those killed: As of January 1, 2005, anyone who dies instantly or within XNUMX days of the accidentt.

- the wounded: victims not killed.
We will distinguish among the injured:
- hospitalized injured: victims admitted as patients in a hospital for more than 24 hours;
- minor injuries: victims who have been the subject of medical treatment but who have not been admitted as patients to
the hospital more than 24 hours.

Because to drop a statistic in half in a few years, there is necessarily an accounting trick ... the policy of police repression has not made drivers aware that much ...

[Woodcutter]

[...] This measure would have led to a collapse in fuel consumption, [...]

Again: where does it come from and how is it calculated?

[boubka]

good evening Christhophe

So should you take your word for it?

not of course, but that is what i learned during a license point recovery course
I think we are told the truth in this kind of internship ...
according to wiki it is correct
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_de_la_route

if we took the same benchmark as in 1980 then we might have 2000 dead

Because to drop a statistic in half in a few years, there is necessarily an accounting trick ... the policy of police repression has not made drivers aware that much ...

apparently there is no "scam" there is a real awareness, political abort and then individual

anecdote: in 1970 when there were 17000 road deaths
at the auto show, to the question asked by a journalist at pompidou: what do you plan to do?
the president's response: french people love cars, so let them roll!

at that time having a drunk accident was a mitigating circumstance (he was drunk he did not see the obstacle)

[boubka]

and also
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_d ... _en_France

[Leo Maximus]

[...] This measure would have led to a collapse in fuel consumption, [...]

Again: where does it come from and how is it calculated?

In the press (Les Echos) at the time of the controversy over technical control and points license which were said to be impossible to apply.

More recently, there has been a project to make it impossible for resale of cars likely to contain asbestos since asbestos is prohibited for sale. It made it impossible to resell millions of used cars!

A+

[Leo Maximus]

...
anecdote: in 1970 when there were 17000 road deaths
at the auto show, to the question asked by a journalist at pompidou: what do you plan to do?
the president's response: French people love cars, so let them roll! ...

We can drive but not just any way and with anything. The Beaune accident: http://www.ina.fr/communaute/journal and type 31 07 1982. Wet road, excessive speed, too small distance between vehicles, defective vehicles, disregarding the signs, so it was fatal as they say ... Balance sheet 53 dead including 44 children, record broken.