sen-no-sen wrote:
I don't understand how today's society does not create more value than before?
Unless you speak of moral value?
GDP, turnover are only means for measuring its creation of values.
What you need is more human value, is that what you meant, right?
1) I think out loud, it's always a bit risky!
2) No, I'm not talking about moral or human value.
I am talking about the economic value of a good or service. Which I think is poorly translated into the price (monetary value of this good or service):
- you go to the hairdresser, he cuts your hair; it takes 15 minutes (average of all hairdressers): we can say that this service, that you "want" (you do not want to be hairy but to please uax women who like well-haired men ... .), at a certain value, both in your eyes (the value of your desire) and for the hairdresser (he devotes a certain time to it, uses skills, resources - his salon, electricity, etc. ...). There is an adequacy between "your" value and that of the hairdresser: you agree to pay for this cut 22,50 € (valuation in our currency for this service).
There, it's simple.
But now let's take the "absurd" example of my piles of sand. There is no value: the pile of sand is always the same and goes back to square one. I imagined that there was work (for example, an organization that pays to employ unemployed people) ...
So I dissociate "work" (in the sense of paid activity) from "creation of value".
Alros bine ^ sur, this is absurd, as I say.
But now let's take lambda. He has an X brand phone which works very well ... By dint of seeing his entourage of Iphone Ys, he thinks that he is "diminished" if he does not have one too.
So he buys the Iphone Y.
From an economic point of view, there is creation of "value": it makes business, GDP ... Maybe lambda he got into debt, so it also makes the turnover for the organization which him. granted a revolving loan ...
He still just calls! [lamba is, like me, a boon, all the features of the iPhone Y, he only uses 5%]. What additional "value" does he have in his new phone: being like the others? please women who like the Iphone Y?
But we can clearly see that "all that for that": is the cost of the operation related to the gain in "value" ???
And when it comes to "speculation" (so "traders" who sell "coupons" on wheat which has not yet been sown, some speculating on a climatic accident which will drive up prices and others on an overproduction which will lower it), we come to situations where there is no longer any link between "economic value" - what is the value of wheat that does not exist? - and "money" ... And when there is no longer a link, it is what we could also call a "crazy system" ...
It may not be clear ... ????
PS: we could of course add to this a debate on morals (to enrich ourselves without doing anything but speculate) or on humans in all this (what will these traders think when they are faced with their cancer? And when we will put them in the hole?). There, obviously, it becomes even more complicated and philosophical ...