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Crisis: variable wages for everyone?




by Christophe » 25/05/11, 12:33

Align all wages with real economic activity, is it possible?

The CGT will scream just to imagine the idea! Krasucki will turn in his grave ...and yet this reasoning holds since it follows the economic logic and markets ...

Will wages become the future adjustment variable of the economy?

Could employees see their remuneration go up or down depending on the activity? In any case this is the latest idea in vogue at the UIMM, the employers of metallurgy!


One of my former employers, explained every morning to his troops, the chance they had to take advantage of his premises (in fact, poorly heated in winter) and to touch recklessly, a salary (the lowest in the profession ) whereas he, knew only the torments, fluctuating business! At the end of each month, when he was distributing the pay slips, he told us: "We should pay the employees only when the company has activity"!

Of course, at the end of the positive year, with regard to a distribution, even a symbolic profit, we had to limit ourselves to a ... speech about happiness, that we would have to ... start a new exercise ... expensive for the cash of the company!

Well, the dream of this gentleman, could well become a reality, if we believe the information, revealed this morning, by Marc Landré, one of the best specialists of social topics, Figaro!

Indeed, we learn that the UIMM proposes: "(...) to temporarily adjust the hours of work and the remuneration of employees, upward or downward, depending on the economic situation"

For those who still do not know who the UIMM is, you have to explain to them that this is a "professional organization whose vocation is to represent and promote the interests of metallurgical companies of all sizes and covering many sectors of activity (...) the automotive industry, the nuclear industry, shipbuilding, aeronautics, space and rail, the manufacture of household equipment, mechanical engineering, metallurgy and metal processing, or the electrical and electronic components and equipment industries, which may be associated with the services industry (...) "- Source UIMM

In addition to being one of the largest employers in France, the UIMM was illustrated by: "(...) suspicious withdrawals of 16,5 million euros withdrawn in cash between 2000 and 2007 (...) it seems intended to "fluidify the social dialogue" and undue financial benefits, such as: life insurance contracts paid by the employers' organization, pension supplement (in cash), for the benefit of some of its members

Nevertheless, after the UIMM, suspected of having paid undeclared bonuses to employees between 2004 and 2007, was indicted for: concealed work, in 2010, Frédéric Saint-Geours, its new president, affirmed that all was back in order. Which act!

It is the same Frédéric Saint-Geours which according to Marc Landré, would have presented, Thursday, at the convention of the UIMM, a document preparatory to the "Manifesto for the industry" that it counts: "(...) to present in the autumn in the presidential

In addition to the ways to: "(...) limit the cost and impact of unemployment insurance" and "redefinition of redundancy", we must be attentive to one of the proposals, which could, if it were resume in the electoral program of the party that will win the elections of 2012, book a very bad surprise to employees!

What is it ?

The UIMM entrusted to Pierre Cahuc (co-author with Gilbert Cette and André Zylberberg of a report "Minimum wage and low income" and who recommended the government to: question the rules for indexing the minimum wage and more recently, with Francis Kramarz of a report recommending the creation of a single employment contract) the responsibility of writing It proposes to:

"(...) give more margins of negotiation to the social partners in the company, allowing via a collective agreement to" temporarily adjust the hours of work and the remuneration of employees, upward or downward, in according to the economic situation ". In short, be able to increase wages and working time when the company is facing a temporary increase in its orders ... and lower in times of lean cows. "Such adjustments helped dampen the employment impact of the 2008 recession in Germany, argues Pierre Cahuc (...)"

A note in passing: There is no question in this reasoning to see wages increase but rather to work more paid hours in peak periods. So: Exit overtime! Which is equivalent to touching the same thing by ... spreading it over the whole year!

Other consequences for employees of such a proposal?

First consequence: To the extent that the negotiation is no longer national but business by company, there would be a great disparity of agreements whose quality could be very uneven!

Second consequence, the worst! : Require employees to manage their budget according to economic fluctuations while they have absolutely no same faculty as companies to negotiate with their bank to pay their expenses and debts!

A "big idea" that we could find, in the electoral programs of the UMP and the few centrist dissidents, for 2012. It's up to you to be attentive!



Source: http://www.marianne2.fr/SlovarMarianne/ ... _a248.html
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by sen-no-sen » 25/05/11, 12:44

In a totalitarian merchant system, it is quite normal for individuals to comply with the demands of the market.
The so-called "flex security" policy is very much in vogue, and moreover the current head of state had suggested the idea of ​​calling into question the CDI to replace it with a contract or employees could be dismissed without compensation. to ensure business stability.
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by Christophe » 25/05/11, 13:41

Hold idea of ​​variable pay: start paying policies on merit!

Lagarde with his -8% deficit for 2010 should not touch more than the smic!
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by sherkanner » 25/05/11, 15:01

Well I have not read (lazy) but before touching wages, it should already that prices fluctuate depending on the price of raw materials. For the moment the flucuation is on the rise, and at best stagnates ...


Then, I am for a variable part of the salary according to the economy, but it is necessary to keep a fixed part, if only for the mortgage (I do not tell you the mouth of the stole ... banker in front of you must take into account market fluctuations to apply 33% of debt max ...)
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by sen-no-sen » 25/05/11, 16:35

sherkanner wrote:Well I have not read (lazy) but before touching wages, it should already that prices fluctuate depending on the price of raw materials. For the moment the flucuation is on the rise, and at best stagnates ...


Market fluctuations are in most cases the result of clever manipulations by speculators.
Distressing markets is a full-time, extremely well paid job.
If changes are to be made, we must look at that side rather than wanting to once again convert the human to the place of the economy.
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by Christophe » 25/05/11, 19:04

sen-no-sen wrote: If changes are to be made, we must look at that side rather than wanting to once again convert the human to the place of the economy.


Absolutely, but from this point of view, do not expect anything from the leading and thinking heads who are fond "in economic consumption"!

Take initiatives yourself, for example, I was last night at a meeting of a SEL = Local Exchange System, I will do a topic in the coming days ...

Here is the operating principle of this SEL (it can vary from one SEL to another ...):

Would you like to become a donor and recipient of UniverS.EL?

Nothing's easier ! Come and discover a fabulous project soon in place in the communes of Bertrix and Paliseul, carried by some citizens wishing to give pride of place to responsible social assistance through the exchange of services.

The municipality of Paliseul having provided, in its Social Cohesion Plan, the creation of a Time Bank or a SEL, has already decided to support the de facto association that will set up this structure. An information meeting where you can discover all the ins and outs of this great human adventure will take place in Paliseul on Tuesday 24 May in the village hall but also at the Cultural Center of Bertrix on Tuesday 14 June at 19 hours 30 (1er floor). Whatever the place, the entrance is free.

Before this meeting, it may be useful to briefly define what a Local Exchange System (LAT) is.
It is a network of members living on a relatively local territory (1 to 2 common (s) maximum: here Bertrix and Paliseul) put in contact with each other thanks to an internal newspaper, relays in the villages, an organization and collective activities for the exchange of (non-professional) services, goods, knowledge, know-how and information between members. This system is multilateral (that is to say for example Claudine mow the lawn at Pierre, Pierre makes a race for Alain, Alain prepares a cake for Irma, Irma keeps the children of Claudine, ...) and egalitarian since one hour delivery is worth one hour of service. There is no social hierarchy between the services (1h of ironing = 1h of computer classes = 1h of gardening) and each one is supposed to offer and receive services, goods, in a right balance. To control this balance, the measure is the time spent doing the service. Any hour worked gives right to a unit of exchange named on Bertrix-Paliseul "SAV'HEURE". As for the SEL of the common 2, it took for name UniverSEL, a beautiful omen, no?

For a system like this to work, you have to trust yourself. This is really the foundation of SEL: self-confidence (I can value my skills), in the other (everyone has to live up to their commitments) and in the system. Two other pillars essential to the success of such a project are the opening to all without distinction of social origin, age, nationality, religious conviction, political or philosophical and the freedom of each. At any time, each member is free to accept or refuse a requested service without having to justify. He can also decide to leave the SEL as soon as he has balanced his account and obviously, each member is free not to systematically count the services rendered because the free gesture can also find its place in a SEL! Oh yes, one last thing, solidarity also exists between SEL, the proof, it is Nicole Willem, of CiRoSEL (the SEL established on the communes of Ciney and Rochefort) which supported the founders of UniverSEL in the setting up of this new exchange network.

So, interested?
Attend the information session in one of the two municipalities. It will allow you to know more and will put, be sure, a little SEL and flavors in your world!


Wiki page: http://bit.ly/jbyMCj

Attention states do not like this kind of initiative ...

Legal aspect [edit]

In France, transactions carried out under the SEL are exempt from VAT and taxes only insofar as it is a non-repetitive and punctual activity, such as "helping hand" and not included in the frame of a profession.

In 1998, the appeal trial of three members of the SEL Pyrenean has resulted in their release. In September 1996, in a small village of Ariège, two members of the SEL helped a third to repair his roof. After denunciation of a neighbor and investigation of the gendarmerie, the three adherents were prosecuted for clandestine work and use of clandestine workers, condemned by the Court of Foix the 06 / 01 / 1998 then relaxed on appeal to Toulouse the 17 / 09 / 1998 because the conditions characterizing a clandestine work were not met.

But, still in France, if in the framework of a SEL one engages in a repetitive activity or entering in the frame of its trade, one has to declare it to the organisms concerned.


It's ridiculous, it's the taxing of solidarity, between help ... super neighbor informative !!

Soon will have to pay taxes when you invite friends to eat at home because you make unfair competition at the restaurant of the corner?

This is the world of DSK, Lagarde et Cie ... : Evil:

The money and the figures before the man and the solidarity! Strongly that this world of collapse of itself ... (and it will come faster than we think ...)

See as well: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cono ... _solidaire
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by fabio.gel » 25/05/11, 19:32

This is the world of DSK, Lagarde et Cie ... : Evil:



Yes, Christophe but without the money they are nothing and their power is only that 8)
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by Christophe » 25/05/11, 19:40

Well yes that's why the "big" reform of society will never come from above ...

By the way, just look at the story a bit: no reform or profound change of society has ever come from the top!
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by delnoram » 25/05/11, 20:02

Of course, if my son, the first major change in the world came from above.

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by sen-no-sen » 25/05/11, 20:18

Christophe wrote:The money and the figures before the man and the solidarity! Strongly that this world of collapse of itself ... (and it will come faster than we think ...)


I just hope that this "matrix" collapses without having itself under the rubble.
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