Buying French: made in France, a solution to the crisis?

[Christophe]

Ok my Toyota example was ultimately bad but very well chosen: it shows the complexity of current trade !!

FYI: not far from Charleville Mezière, there is a PSA foundry still active.

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/p ... .php?id=41

France: Foundry of Charleville

Presentation

Founded in 1974 at the foot of the Ardennes massif, the Charleville foundry (FCH) produces raw parts, made of spheroidal graphite cast iron and aluminum alloy (parts of powertrains and ground connections) intended for machining units or group assembly.

Charleville also has a prototype workshop which produces foundry elements for the Group's future engines and vehicles.

The foundry produces 261 tonnes of cast iron parts each day (steering pivots, beams, cross beam supports, suspension arms, differential housings, crankshafts, manifolds) and 157 tonnes of aluminum alloy parts (cylinder heads, engine supports, components ground connection).

Workforce
2,242 people

PSA Peugeot Citroën
Charleville Foundry
Ayvelles Industrial Zone
BP 1 - 08001 Charleville-Mézières

There, you add another problem: indeed, what is "made in ..."

Good debate ... apparently some consider that when 50% of the added value is in the country in question ... then it is made in the country in question ...

So finally according to this definition: 99% of the made in china sold in Europe is made in Europe in fact, since most of the margin, therefore VA, is made in Europe!

Unless it is 50% of the VA of the manufacturing stages .... which would be much more logical ...

Conversely, finding a product that is really 100% made in France (A to Z therefore), except in the food industry and a few artisanal niches, it is in my opinion, not very easy ...

A new topic (next) what is "made in" would be welcome ...

[Did67]

There is that: http://www.gouvernement.fr/gouvernement ... -en-france

and that : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabriqu%C3%A9_en_France

and: http://www.douane.gouv.fr/data/file/1480.pdf

It seemed to me to have seen a program where it was much more vague: a bicycle assembled in France by assembling parts all (or almost) from China and which was "made in France" ... But hey, I can't find ...

Note that the benefit is counted, if I understand correctly, in the last country.

So you buy parts in China for 80 €. You assemble, you have 20 € of labor. You sell 250 € (the market price) and it is "made in France" (because the 150 € margin count for France) ???

[Christophe]

So you buy parts in China for 80 €. You assemble, you have 20 € of labor. You sell 250 € (the market price) and it is "made in France" (because the 150 € margin count for France) ???

It seems to me that yes ...

To check in the links that you quote ... that I did not read ... a lot of indication here (extract from the wiki page) ... one thing is certain: it is the "bourdel" (like often with customs codes!)!

(...)

Thus, under the terms of Article 24 of the Community Customs Code [6] "A good in the production of which two or more countries have taken place, originates in the country where the last substantial, economically justified transformation or working took place, carried out in an enterprise equipped for this purpose and having resulted in the manufacture of a new product or one representing an important stage of manufacture. "

The concept of substantial transformation or working is explained by Articles 35 et seq. Of the regulation laying down the implementing provisions of the Community Customs Code (CID) [7] and by Annexes 9 to 11 to this regulation. These texts notably contain lists of products for which the criteria for assessing the country of origin are very precise. For products not listed, the assessment criteria are defined more generally:

- for unlisted textile products: substantial processing or working must constitute a "complete transformation" (Article 36 of the CCIP), that is to say "transformations which have the effect of classifying the products obtained under a heading of the Combined nomenclature other "than that of the materials used in the manufacture of the product (Article 36 CCIP);

- for non-textile products not listed: Annex 9 (note 5) indicates that "the determination of origin must be carried out by assessing, case by case, each processing or working operation with regard to the concept of last substantial processing or working as defined by article 24 of the "Community customs code".

Some examples of criteria for the products listed:

- cotton textile products: "Manufacture from raw cotton the value of which does not exceed 50% of the ex-works price" (in other words so that the product bears the mention "Made in France" or a synonymous mention, the cost of manufacturing carried out in France must correspond to at least 50% of the price ex works ;

- garments and clothing accessories, knitted or crocheted: "Complete confection" [8] (annex 10);

- meat: "Slaughter preceded by a fattening period of at least" 3 months for animals of the bovine species, 2 months for animals of the porcine or ovine species (Annex 11);

- footwear: "Manufacture from material of any heading, excluding assemblies formed from the uppers of shoes attached to the soles (...)" (annex 11);

- decorated ceramic tableware (ornamental tableware): "Decoration (...) provided that this decoration results in the classification of the goods obtained in a heading other than that covering the materials used" (annex 11);

- television receivers: "Manufacture where the value acquired as a result of assembly operations and, possibly, of the incorporation of originating parts represents at least 45% of the ex-works price of the devices"(Annex 11).

[Leo Maximus]

The important thing, in my opinion, are the jobs created here, right?

[Christophe]

Absolutely.

Which amounts to saying what I said above:% on added value ...

Since value added = wages = jobs.

Now it remains to be seen how many jobs it makes ... per unit of value added!

By simply importing from China you can make a lot of added value without necessarily many jobs ...

[econololo]

The important thing, in my opinion, are the jobs created here, right?

As the president would say:

I even prefer that we buy a foreign brand car produced in France rather than a French car made abroad and sold in France. What is important is to produce in France

http://www.liberation.fr/depeches/01012 ... r-francais

[Christophe]

Econololo preceded me, I wanted to quote, even sarko goes made in France!

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/2011/1 ... france.php

Nicolas Sarkozy defended Tuesday in Haute-Savoie the reindustrialisation of the country but preferring the slogan "produce in France" to "buy French", praised respectively by the candidates François Bayrou (MoDem) and Marine Le Pen (National Front).

"Our policy is to encourage companies to produce in France, whether French or foreign," said Mr. Sarkozy to the employees of the Rossignol factory in Sallanches (Haute-Savoie), who repatriated more than a year ago, part of its ski production relocated to Asia.

"I am not in principle against the establishment of French factories in other countries, it is normal that we build in China cars that we want to sell in China", he continued. "Where I do not agree is that we manufacture cars abroad to sell them in France."

Most of Sarkozy's future rivals for the 2012 presidential race have made the reindustrialisation of France, one of the major themes of their campaign, denouncing the hundreds of thousands of industrial jobs lost since the start of the financial crisis in autumn 2008.

Mr. Bayrou has announced his intention to make "producing in France" his "obsession", while Ms. Le Pen has promised to pass a law called "buy French" with the ambition of creating 500.000 industrial jobs in five years.

If he straddled the same theme, the Head of State distanced himself from his two competitors. "I want to clear up an ambiguity", he said, "everyone says + buy French +, I prefer to say + produce in France +".

"I even prefer that we buy a foreign brand car produced in France rather than a French car manufactured abroad and sold in France," insisted Mr. Sarkozy. "What is important is to produce in France (...). If it is foreign capital that wants to settle in France to produce in France, so much the better!", He added.

It's big very big on his part ...

It remains to be seen what is actually produced in France in a car assembled in France ... Cf the example of Toyota Valencienne ... and we fall back on the same ambiguity!

[Christophe]

Hey Didi, is it made in Europe, made in Sri Lanka?

http://www.arretsurimages.net/vite.php?id=12701

Made in France is making a comeback and it is the object of all political lusts.

When François Bayrou announced last Thursday on France 2, in the program Des mots et de lois, that he "wishes that the part manufactured in France be displayed on the products" (he will repeat it to the Grand Jury RTL-LCI-LeFigaro and during his meeting in Pau under the formidable eye of the Petit Journal), the other candidates fell on him. Buy French? But Hollande said it the same day during his trip to Le Creusot, in Saône-et-Loire. Oh no, protests Marine Le Pen, it's been in my program from the start. As for Yves Jégo, fired from the government two years ago, he accuses Bayrou of plagiarism as we learn from Mathieu Deslandes, journalist from Rue89, who specifies: “Jégo notably advocated the creation of a label“ Origin France ”. last May, this label, carried by some forty products, indicates that at least 50% of their value comes from France. Raw materials can be imported but the elements must be assembled in France. " The report is available here.

We can say that this label has gone completely unnoticed. Sarkozy, however, wanted to take it out of the closet yesterday during his visit to the Rossignol ski factory in Sallanches (Haute-Savoie). A timely reminder, in order not to be left behind by the other candidates, but which did not convince the other visitors as Arnaud Leparmentier tells it on his Monde.fr blog: "Sarkozy clashed with the CEO of the TSL company which explained that it would have been better to promote the Made in France, by increasing its value added content to 70% as the Swiss did. Rossignol boss Bruno Cercley outbid, even if he adopted the said label. " Leparmentier underlines: "Nicolas Sarkozy was put in difficulty during this round table of which the participants - this is a first - did not completely serve the dishes to the president."

The press is reserved on this return of the made in France, seeing it as a low-cost publicity stunt. Indeed, buying French or producing French seems wishful thinking in a country in the process of deindustrialisation. Worse: the State and the (still) public companies are not the last to obtain supplies outside our borders as revealed by Le Parisien this morning: "This week, we learned that the production of the Vitale card, manufactured at Mareuil, in the Dordogne, will be relocated to India Similarly, the Post Office, a public company, has abandoned Peugeot to award the Taiwanese Kymco the contract to manufacture scooters (…) the State itself is not exempt from reproach. Doesn't the army have its uniforms made in countries like Morocco, China or Sri Lanka? "

Besides, is it really possible to buy French? Hmm, it smells like an investigation for the econaut…

[Leo Maximus]

... It remains to be seen what is actually produced in France in a car assembled in France ... Cf the example of Toyota Valencienne ... and we fall back on the same ambiguity!

For the Yaris de Valenciennes it was in an issue of Argus Automobile a few years ago. There was an exploded view of the Yaris and the names of the various equipment manufacturers who were mostly installed within a radius of 100 km. There is hardly anything imported from Japan, just a few electronic odds and ends that are not made in Europe. Toyota has absolutely no interest in putting "Made in Japan" in the Yaris, it would inflate the costs excessively, because of the yen and transport. The only Toyota sold in France (at more than 1000 units / year) that is "Made in Japan" is the Prius, as a result, it is twice as expensive here.

Ditto for Honda, what is sold in Europe is manufactured in Europe and assembled in England. Just look at the labels on my son's Accord and we see that there is Valeo everywhere "Made in France": alternator, starter, wiper / washer system, lights, dashboard, air conditioning, radiator and cooling circuit, hydraulic clutch, steering assistance, etc ... The plastics are from Allibert and Plastic Omnium, the seats are also "Made in France" like all Hutchinson hoses, it is manufactured in Laval by "Le Joint Français", glazing is Saint-Gobain. The engine / gearbox unit is English like the braking system with ABS from Bosch, the 4 window regulators are also Bosch, a large part of the electrical circuit is Siemens, the wheels are "Made in Italy" and even the design is also Italian it is Pininfarina like almost all Honda. There is no "Made in Japan".

[Christophe]

Ah thank you Leo for these details.
I think, as Marco assumed above, that there are still some pieces (electronic in particular) made in Japan (or Asia).

Hey even economists, Nicolas Doze, is getting started http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_rDeuf_4Co made in France!