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by phil12 » 05/02/18, 17:46

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bitcoin no problem! it's completely virtual! those who play are all volunteers! it does not hurt anyone! speculate freely with your coincoin


Ah thank you for confirming what I said above: "classic" speculation can have real impacts much more important for "innocent" (= non-speculators) than bitcoins!


Bonjour,

For now, when there is only crypto it will be even worse! we will have a completely anonymous and algorithmically complex system, tax havens will become children's games of the past!
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by Christophe » 06/02/18, 10:54

You think? I don't know: it all depends on the algo ...

Blockchain is public, but not all cryptos are true ... and as anyone can create a crypto very quickly and easily (compared to a classic currency!) There is a good chance that there are drifts ...
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by Christophe » 07/02/18, 11:53

It heats on the classic stock market: https://www.lesechos.fr/finance-marches ... 151202.php

Stock exchange: 3 graphs to measure the violence of the correction

Thousands of billions of dollars gone up in smoke, historic records of decline, the index of fear that flies away ... Here are the crazy figures that marked the dropping out of Wall Street.

1.000 billion financial value erased

As a percentage, it does not look like much, but converted into market capitalization, the fall of Wall Street takes on another aspect. “Call it Black Monday Act II, call it the Dow which behaves like bitcoin. The facts are that the S&P 500 has lost over $ 1.000 billion in market capitalization in one month, ”comments Naeem Aslam, at Think Markets. According to Bloomberg data, the index was valued at $ 25.000 trillion at the end of January. Tuesday, Wall Street rebounds: the main US indices are up.

The greatest number of points lost

This is the biggest drop in Dow Jones points in its history. The biggest declines date back to the financial crisis. On September 29, 2008, he dropped 777,68 points. On October 15, 2008, the day after the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, he had surrendered 733,08 points. It must be said that since the low point in March 2009, the Dow Jones has gone from 7.600 points to a record of 26.619 points. It is therefore the first time that the Dow has fallen by more than 1.000 points in one session.

The biggest daily drops in Dow Jones points. - (c) Bloomberg / Etienne Goetz
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More than 400 days without correction

Unheard of since the 1950s. The S&P 500 spent 404 sessions without experiencing a correction greater than 5%. US markets have bet on higher corporate income thanks to Trump's tax reform and bank deregulation. Since the election of the businessman, the S&P 500 had gained more than 30%.

The VVix measures the volatility of the Vix. - (c) Bloomberg / Etienne Goetz
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Fear index explodes

The volatility index, the Vix, also known as the “fear index”, has never jumped so much at once. On Monday, it gained + 116% to 37,32. It is its highest increase in session, even if it is not at the highest in its history. In fact, the Vix volatility index is at its highest level ever observed. On Tuesday, the Vix continued to climb until it crossed the 50 mark. Index funds that bet on the fall in volatility are in full swing and have trapped speculators.

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YAPLUKA TAKE BITCOINS ... Ah no it's not for the fearful and you have to love volatility! : Cheesy:
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by chatelot16 » 07/02/18, 12:19

do not confuse action and currency

when the stock market goes up or down it concerns the shares of listed companies ... and not all companies are necessarily listed on the stock exchange

a large company could also be a SAS (simplified joint stock company) so manage its actions as it wants without depending on the stock market

there is a common point between action and money

the currency is useful between customer and supplier and it is useful that the currency is stable

the actions are useful between investor and company, and it is also useful that the actions have a stable value or varying only to reward the investors of a real increase in the value of the company

if the value of the shares changes anyway more because of the speculator than of the company, the primary goal of the system is completely lost ... therefore the current capitalist system is in ruin!

a SAS with variable capital can receive investors without risk of speculation ... and return to the origin of capitalism, the time when it was effective and allowed to create businesses
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by Christophe » 07/02/18, 13:45

chatelot16 wrote:do not confuse action and currency


I'm not confusing anything, speculation on currencies (exchange rates) exists for decades there is even a fairly well-known billionaire who bet against the pound and became a billionaire in 1 night ...

Bitcoins are as much speculative tools today as currency ... so it makes sense to compare the classic stock market to the speculative bitcoin market!

I have already said this at length above: a "good" speculator is mad at the tool used to speculate ... therefore stocks, bitcoins, real currencies, derivatives, oil, foodstuffs (the worst! !) ... etc etc ... he doesn't give a fuck !!
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by chatelot16 » 07/02/18, 14:46

and I don't really care about speculators

so I prefer to use a stable currency for my purchases that speculators cannot sabotage

and to create a future business I will do everything so that the speculator cannot play with
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by Christophe » 07/02/18, 15:36

You make me laugh chatelot ... is already setting up a "profitable" box before fearing one which "risks" stock market speculation on the actions of your box, that is to say the opening to the public of the actions ... it's is to say a huge box!

I don't know any SME that is listed on the stock market ...
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by Ahmed » 07/02/18, 18:46

To assert as the article quoted above does that "a trillion" of dollars went up in smoke is simply journalistic sensationalism, since what disappeared had never existed! :D
The rise in previous stock prices can be analyzed, as does Chatelot, in terms of speculation, but, more precisely by a gradual decorrelation of prices from the value of companies. In fact, the hopes of future gains expressed by these prices do not in any way correspond with those of the issuing companies. This is also obvious in France, where stock market progress has been observed, which contrasts with the sluggishness of CAC 40 companies ... Part of the earnings of companies is now played out on the stock market by the possibilities it offers (such as the buyout of 'actions, for example).
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by Christophe » 07/02/18, 18:48

Anyway, someone who reacts!

This is why I had highlighted it so much !!
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by Remundo » 07/02/18, 19:05

financial markets are also infused with thousands of billions of monetary creations ex nihilo.

As there is no real and corresponding economic activity, there are bubbles which burst from time to time.
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