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Current Economy and Sustainable Development-compatible? GDP growth (at all costs), economic development, inflation ... How concillier the current economy with the environment and sustainable development.
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by Obamot » 07/01/11, 17:22

Hello Stipe.

Absolutely, and if we start from the principle that "His lifestyle has an effect on the climate", it seems to me that in the worst scenario: the greenhouse effect could raise temperatures to levels unbearable for any living species. This diagram is alas, de facto predicted and calculated by scientists, when the sun reaches the end of its life ... but if the greenhouse effect increases too quickly due to human error, we could then be at the origin of a premature end of life on earth.

Needless to say, it is in your interest to change your "consumption model" ...

Stipe wrote:I don't know if I'm also off topic by asking the following question: is econology more oriented towards green growth or decrease?
... it is oriented on what we will do with it ...

In the state there are priorities and behavioral changes to operate, and this thread tends to go in this direction.
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by Former Oceano » 08/01/11, 16:06

Premature end of life on Earth?

Evolution has taken giant steps in each period of mass extinction.

On the other hand, knowing which invertebrate animals - worms - molluscs - arthropods - insects - fish - amphibians - reptiles - birds - mammals and which algae - fungi - lichens - plants will survive thanks to their genetic heritage, only survivors of extinction will know .

As for humans, if we start from the assumption that the richest will manage to survive and that they will always be as selfish by being few in their golden shelters, after a while inbreeding will degrade his genetic heritage.

We can estimate that in the more or less long term homo sapiens sapiens will disappear. First by culture, weakening of the race (inbreeding), unless the more numerous poor see some of them survive and adapt to the new climate. But I do not believe that these humans there 'copulate' with those sheltered who will take them for 'sub-men' or 'animals' from inside their shelter, refuge of an obsolete and disappeared civilization. So, no mixing of genetic material will be played.
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by Obamot » 08/01/11, 17:27

We can say yes, since this is already the current trend ... The rich countries are in demographic deficit (I have nothing against it but it does not pay pensions). A cruel dilemma for governments, which are torn between:

- claims of popullists / nationalists who want to send foreigners to cook sushi at home for unspeakable reasons ...

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- the contribution of "New blood" necessary for society to survive, as much for genetic and medical questions as for historical and cultural ones!


The problem with modern society is that it seeks to replace natural selection with competition. At this rate, there is indeed a risk of weakening the species concerned and seeing it disappear ...

This is already a current and medical observation (ie the so-called degenerative diseases that massively affect cities while the countryside is relatively spared) In this context: it is already the wealthy who become weaker and who disappear historically BEFORE the others!

It is a capital point (that I forgot) that it will be necessary (it) to add to this list: "Management & econology", under "Early Prevention". Thank you.
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by chatelot16 » 08/01/11, 17:38

an individual does what he wants at home, and can put into practice his ecological conviction for his consumption, heating, building his house ... even if it is contrary to simple economy

but alas most netreprise can not do other than obey the dictatorship of current society

it's sad to see private homes heated by expensive ecological systems, and to see companies heat colander buildings with toasters

but it is the same thing for all the means of production: the requirement of profitability in the short term, imposses very productive machine ... that is to say producing very quickly to the detriment of the energy yield

individual ecology is good, but it is only individual ... to do industrial ecology on a large scale, the government must have a real ecological will

we must therefore revive real political ecology ... maybe by firing some usurpers ... or by using the name econology to distinguish it ...

in most cases to make the industry efficiently ecological, it is necessary to privilege the employment of manpower to work well recover well build well, and consume less

We must therefore reduce everything that taxes work, and increase everything that taxes consumption ... there will be no effective collective ecology without this political decision!

while waiting for this political decision, and to make it easier we can always at the individual level do interesting things and set a good example, but no illusion ... this is only an example with very low overall efficiency as long as the government does not rule in a good way
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by stipe » 10/01/11, 09:11

Okay, the answer on the positioning green growth vs decrease is not super clear, but at the same time I recognize that it is not easy to place the cursor precisely, we are so quickly caricatured.

Always if I am HS, do not hesitate to take my post and their response to split the subject;).

I allow myself to add a link to a course that amazed and passionate me about the problems and the links between the environment, economy and energy:
http://jcbonsai.free.fr/cc/
in English OV:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse
This course is very well done very synthetic on many subjects covered in this subsection, I think, but take a slightly broader point of view than that of fossil fuels vs the environment.

Roughly the conclusion of the author is that we will arrive in a period of strong decline (he does not speak of the candle anyway : Lol: ) linked to the state's unpreparedness for the big problems that are coming to us (retirement / oil / primary resources / neocapitalism).

(PS sorry if the link has already been given, and sorry if it is advertising outside the charter ... but one like the other, I don't think)
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by Christophe » 25/01/11, 11:36

Well no it has nothing to do with advertising since it is an informative site.

This morning Stipe created this specific topic about the documentary Crash Course:

https://www.econologie.com/forums/crash-cour ... 10408.html
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by Obamot » 18/02/11, 07:20

While we are in a world with low growth (or even who seeks to flirt with the decrease ...), that our reflections relate to themes not very distant that are "Selfishness" and "Super fiasco" from the world of finance ... We are still modestly at "Introduction" of this topic. And your enlightened reflections, show that there is a point, which my faith concerns us all, and which has not yet been sufficiently tackled from the angle initiated by this thread, that of the "Econological awareness".

After some personal reflections around the debates which rage today, with in disorder: the junk food, the monetary creation, the unexpected events of revolt in the Arab world, the denial of certain policies (I think of Allègre with its deductions "sewn with white thread" ... there are many others to swim in paradoxes ...) the management of his small family, the amused look of the spat in the City Council ... to the National Parliament ...! Starting with prevention around his little health! And the general crumbling .... We are ultimately very little ... alone! ;-)

All these points have common denominators ...

How could we claim to manage econologically: his life, his family, his business, even his commune, his city or his country ... Without thinking about:
- Where do we come from?
- Who are we?
- Where are we going?

These stupid questions are disturbing, because they show us how fragile and vulnerable we are, but their answer is necessary before counting to answer what we do, how we do it and why we should manage things as we envision them. ...
And to ask these questions often, because our vision of the world should not be frozen! And what connects us must strengthen us (even if I would not speak of spirituality - out of respect for individual convictions - it is in the background ...)

You even have to dare the cynicism to say that a "business" (be it any community ... from family, to commercial companies through civil society ...) a business I said, c '' is very often made up of people who taken individually are not always well anchored in their sneakers, but who renew the daily challenge of setting goals and achieving them, despite their weaknesses and a conscience that is just waiting to develop and expand!

But if we have not settled the substantive issues, we will quickly realize as one of my illustrious Professor Mr Metzler said, that if we do not pay attention to all this:

"A business is like fish, it always starts to rot from the head" ;-)


Have a good day!
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by Christophe » 28/02/11, 17:33

Extract from an article just found in the "google news" banner (see this topic for explanations: https://www.econologie.com/forums/google-web ... 10522.html )

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Emergence of an ecological state

The distinction between nature and culture underlies certain topical classifications of contemporary environmental law, in particular the distinction between technological risks and natural risks on which the so-called Bachelot law relating to the prevention of technological and natural risks is based and compensation for damage (2). As evidenced by this law, technological, economic and urban development generates disturbances which are perceived as technological and / or natural risks.
In this perspective, the question of the emergence of an ecological state refers to a repositioning of the state, to the transformation of the figure of the state, at the border between nature and culture, between environment and technology, induced by the renewal of relationships between man and the biosphere.
The financial crisis which started in 2008 and the various recovery plans to which it gave rise feed the theme of a future “green growth”, background on which the law known as Grenelle 2 of July 12 is inscribed 2010.
The Cancun Summit (end of 2010) gave rise, not only, to a confrontation between the positions of States vis-à-vis the problem of preserving the biosphere balances modified by the current climate change attributed to an aggravation of anthropogenic origin. of the greenhouse effect, but also to a confrontation between different and competing conceptions of the relationships between man and the environment. In particular, the commitment made by governments to relaunch their actions against deforestation and forest degradation in so-called developing countries, by means of the allocation of technological and financial aid, leaves in the shade the question of the specific relationships that the populations concerned have with their environment.

Three axes of reflection can help to identify the question of the emergence of an ecological state.

The question of the imitation of Nature

Man produces waste. In industrial and urban societies, the growth in the volume of waste produced and, simultaneously, that of its dangerousness, have taken an exponential trajectory. In order to promote a model of sustainable growth, Directive 2008/98 of 19 November 2008 on waste aims to promote a transformation of the European economy with a view to establishing "a European recycling society".

The circular economy model
With the adoption, a few months earlier, of the law of August 29, 2008 on the promotion of the circular economy, the Chinese authorities adopted a more global approach which concerns all sectors of the economy (3).
Industrial ecology underpins some of the directions that have just been launched, both by European authorities, to reform a development model that has reached its limits, and by the central government in place in Beijing, where the search for increased ecological efficiency is recognized as a requirement to guarantee continued growth. Indeed, the two models which govern the changes announced in Europe as in China tend towards a closure of the cycles of matter, and are inspired by a will to align the economy on the natural processes observed.
While the modern economy and urban development have been founded on the establishment of a distance between man and nature, the implementation of legislation based on industrial ecology will require technological, managerial and economic innovations. and regulatory aiming, imitating nature, "to approach the specificity and efficiency of biological recycling processes" (4).

The substitution of a circular economy model for a linear economy model, currently dominant, requires the development of the recycling sector and the establishment of bridges between the sphere of waste and that of products. Such a development is likely to call into question the positions acquired by producers and by companies specializing in the collection and treatment of waste, installed in a linear economy model.

Natural geographic units

Beyond the transformation of the economic model, the question of the imitation of nature is likely to materialize in the territorial organization of the State and in that of the local communities, through the definition of the perimeters of the institutions having in charge the "management" of the environments.
The division of the perimeters of the water agencies established in France by a law of December 16, 1964 is based on taking into account the natural geographic units that constitute the hydrographic basins.
The territorial public institutions of the basin received a legal recognition with the adoption of the law known as Bachelot of July 30, 2003, and benefited from new sources of financing with the adoption of the law known as Grenelle 2 of July 12, 2010. Having vocation to operating within the perimeter of a basin or sub-basin, the EPTB are defined as instruments for a new governance of water, through the development of environmental public services.

Specifically, their intervention perimeters transcend the perimeters of member communities.
The translation of this same approach at European level, with the establishment of hydrographic districts by a directive of October 23, 2000, potentially induces a transformation of interstate borders.

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Full article: http://www.pro-environnement.com/enviro ... ue-907.htm
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