Luxembourg: Amazon charge VAT to 1.6% ??

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Re: Luxembourg: Amazon charge VAT to 1.6% ??




by Christophe » 22/05/16, 22:00

chatelot16 wrote:it even happens that when the same item is available by amazon or by a french site the delivery is faster and free by amazon ... many professional sellers sell more by amazon than by their site

you have to take advantage of the system ... it wouldn't shock me that econology also sells by amazon if it allows it to earn better


You do not know how right you are!!

Take advantage of the system or the system take advantage of you? Because Amazon that's it!

Indeed; the econology store in "test" on Amazon for a little over 1 month (no choice given the direct sales that do not go up ... so I test here and there ...) ... well Amazon is shit for the little ones ...

I will make an article on the subject soon now that the site is up to date and well functional!

To summarize: Amazon imposes to pull the prices down: on some items I lose money (they are funny at Amazon), Amazon charges the shipping costs "as they want", it is not configurable for that corresponds to reality, a shipment delay and your funds are blocked ... and finally a lot of customers are assholes imbut of their people who think that everything is due to them!

Ah I forgot the most important: they take 15% of FRESH !! Shipping included !! In other words it eats me 50% of my margin on average ...

Better to sell little than not at all? Frankly I don't know ... because on Amazon it is the seller who lowers the panties the most who "wins" ...

In short, big shit (the American consumer race that I don't like at all ...) and I'm going to free from there fissa as soon as the test is finished ...

ps: I specify that it is Amazon who came to me, I even had a very nice guy on the phone long enough ... and psychologically, I quickly understood how they are "briefed": objectives, objectives and objectives (American style) ... poor employees ...
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by chatelot16 » 22/05/16, 22:29

it scares me ... I'm afraid that the pressure from amazon is too strong ... that small sites do the maximum service for amazon because it is severely noted and neglect their real direct client

I appreciate that the econologie site makes free delivery as well as amazon! so order on econology directly so as not to pay others unnecessarily
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by Christophe » 22/05/16, 23:13

The pressure ... Yes that's exactly it! Wait, it gets even worse: Amazon suggests you answer questions about products ... from customers of your competitors ... but yes of course that's it ... I call it slavery ... They are "nice" eh :) :) :)

Nan what I note is that Amazon is good only if you import directly from China where you have comfortable margins or that you are the manufacturer of the products that you sell, being a reseller as I am it economically ... low margin, high costs = misery ... basically Amazon earns more than me on what I sell on Amazon ... (without wanking anything please ...)

I will soon test the same on eBay ... it couldn't be worse ... if ??? : Mrgreen:
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by chatelot16 » 23/05/16, 23:11

if amazon takes too many costs puts a sale price on amazon a little more expensive than on the econology shop, and people will order directly on the shop ... amazon or ebay will only be a means of advertising

for example if I am looking for a 250W gogol injector inverter gives me the same at manomano, price minister or ebay https://www.google.fr/search?q=onduleur ... W&tbm=shop ... but it's sour ... as I prefer to deal with the good god that his saint I order directly to sour
http://www.aiger.fr/fr/onduleurs-inject ... e-22_60vdc

this inverter is perfectly suited to the 245W panel in the econology shop!
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by chatelot16 » 01/07/16, 09:42

there is worse than amazon to short circuit the french taxes: aliexpress: I just received another injector inverter much cheaper, free shipping, and price indicated on the invoice 2 times more reliable than what I paid .. no relationship between the sender address on the package and the order information on the aliexpress site

in my opinion it is characterized fraud! which explains their free shipping policy: it encourages small orders that do not go through customs ... we hear about people who make large orders and end up with a lot of fees to pay

another distortion of competition: the shipping costs: there are international agreements between the different post offices: when we send a package to china we only pay the french post and the chinese post finished the work ... when the chinese sends to france they pay only the Chinese post and the French post finished the work, and the Chinese post pays a compensation according to the difference in total weight of the parcels in the 2 directions ... I would like to have the detailed figures but I think that the french post works at a low price for the chinese

if the french state wanted to encourage french sellers it would set up lower prices to favor french mail order sellers

alas we see big mail order sellers like conrad favor shipping from germany! I imagine that the port is cheaper from Germany than France

this story of only paying the post office of the country of departure is a trap ... for an isolated package of particular it is understandable, but for the sale by correspondence it is completely unbalanced: when conrad ships from Germany it makes a single pile of packages per day no sorting work to do for the German Post, it is the French Post that does the most expensive work

if the french post had the same policy of making low prices for mail order sellers it would gain more than favoring foreign sites
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by Christophe » 01/07/16, 13:09

My dear Chatelot, there is a big paradox between your buying behavior and what you condemn ... but everyone is free to do what they want ...
In short with you, it's always the fault of others and the system but you don't realize that you are promoting tax evasion with your buying behavior ... In short, that was for the general remark!

Chatelot16 wrote:I would like to have the detailed figures but I think the French Post is working at a low price for the Chinese


That would interest me too ... I presume that it is a "fixed price" or an exact sum paid between the stations after the analysis of the packages of the last year? I do not know...

Chatelot16 wrote:if the french state wanted to encourage french sellers it would set up lower prices to favor french mail order sellers


The post office service, which I used for 10 years as a pro so I know "a little", is generally very good (even if the quality of the after-sales service fell sharply after 2012 ... and prices have increased in 10 years ...) and the Post Office is more competitive than all the other carriers (will do a quote on TNT or DHL if you don't believe me). Parcel relays are more competitive on the price but they have much longer lead times (allow a good week for Mondial Relay)

Again Mr. Chatelot has no responsibility and it is up to others to make efforts ...
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by chatelot16 » 01/07/16, 14:11

do you think it's my buying behavior that counts, given the limited budget i can put in it?

30 years ago when I had a good salary I believed a little that one could have an influence by its purchases ... but since I understood that it was an illusion: the main thing is the law and the taxes of our country that count

I therefore have no more complex to buy by all means ... the most diverse possible to compare

when i buy from conrad is it my fault if it comes from germany?

I just note that the big boxes know how to optimize, and that the small ones are plucked

why haven't i ordered at the store yet? it is not the first time that I have a basket there, and the time that I inquire I find other solution

for example I wanted to order energy measurement, and another member reports that the plug he bought counts energy in both directions which makes it unusable for consumption injection measurement ... disgusted with these cheap gadgets you never know exactly what they do

other case: the 245W panel no documentation or technical sheet to download: use gogol to find doc: that gives another sales site which not only has a technical sheet to download but sells for 100 euros cheaper ... but I didn't say it on this forum before you announced the store was closed: I never gave you counter advertising

in the meantime I'm happy with the panels that I bought from the one who sold old Chinese wind turbines known thanks to econology and had a bunch of other bazaars to sell ... his only message on econology was to advertise and respond then
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by Christophe » 01/07/16, 14:18

chatelot16 wrote:do you think it's my buying behavior that counts


Everyone's purchasing behavior counts if we want to make the system evolve... once again you take no responsibility, think about it: if 70 million consumers think like you ... inevitably no one is responsible for the ambient shit!

Buying is more important than voting ! But people forget it ...

You wanted ... and blablabla and blablabla..contrary to what you say, the shop had very good prices on certain products (the ecowatt 850 was 20 € cheaper than on conrad!) ... now it's is too late, but it's this kind of behavior (look at the euro closely instead of seeing who sells) which contributes to making the unemployed more ... ah but no it's not your fault, it doesn’t never ...

So continue to buy on amazon and in China to save a few euros ... but stop throwing up on the French system then because you are responsible for its fall by doing this!

Personally when I have the choice (which was not the case with the order of this subject), I always favor the little ones!
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by chatelot16 » 01/07/16, 14:40

the bad example ecowatt! misleading device which does not measure energy and which needs a battery while it is connected to the mains: this is not a price problem it is a function problem! I had started to point this out while trying to be constructive, and since I was not understood I did not insist: it reveals a certain conflict between forum ecological and sales site

now that the shop is closed i can freely criticize this ecowatt

for energy measurement I have some that suit me a little ... the one that was on the shop were even cheaper, but the time that I inquire to know if they were doing the right function shop is closed

I also launched you the pole on the subject panel at 1,4 € / Wp: problem of energy meter, I bought some at bis electrique which is unusable because it counts in both directions ... the one in the shop is it better? an answer would have sold
situation counter tri bis electric at 70euro bad, veleman econology counter at 120 euro we do not know, sagem counter at bis electric ok and more precise than veleman ... therefore veleman econologie not ordered

only solution that I currently find to measure the power in a reliable three-phase: counter type edf sagem has 150 euro ... it counts but does not record: one needs a microcontroller in addition to record its impulse
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by Christophe » 02/07/16, 01:24

Sterile discussion ... there was a three-phase impulse counter at 99 € on the shop !! But now it's too late!

So go buy in China or on Amazon instead of rehashing on the shop !! Tired of it !! : Cry:
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