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by Janic » 24/07/13, 22:02

Yeah but cabbage produces methane

without hydraulic fracturing? :?
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by Obamot » 24/07/13, 22:28

Hi,

Anyway we have to diversify, there I decided to indulge myself with almost vegetarian dishes ("almost" because I do not exclude anything, I do that by pure personal choice and do not plan to impose it on my entourage, so I sometimes eat by / animal / meat products sometimes). So of course, vegetables, cereals and fruits at will oleaginous and cold pressed oils included (without forgetting to make efforts / physical exercises ..)!

Yet I was surprised by the misfortune of Ashton Kutcher who immersed himself - for 3 months - in the life of Steve Jobs as part of a biographical film on the life of one of the creators of Apple ! Having pushed mimicry to adopt his biorhythm, his behavior and therefore his way of thinking, as well as to eat the same diet food than Steve Jobs (it must be said that he is already almost his doppelganger physically ...> ), he ended up in the hospital with a completely broken pancreas! Strange...

http://www.aufeminin.com/people/ashton- ... s9554.html

http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/01 ... 67457.html

http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/c ... diet_when/

Given his young age, I doubt that he underwent an intense detoxification of his organism (?)
In any case, we must above all listen to our body and not insist when a food bowl does not suit us.

Sherkanner: He possibly misses the saw. F, omega-3 -6 -9 & talk about catalysts ...
HIC: okay, but alas without going that far, you can add to it the devastating effects of alcohol (starting with the loss of plasticity of the brain) even before savvy people only start to desire or just think about changing what they eat!
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by Janic » 25/07/13, 08:07

Obamot hello
Having pushed mimicry to adopt his biorhythm, his behavior and therefore his way of thinking, as well as eating the same diet as Steve Jobs (it must be said that he is already almost his double physically ...>), he ended up in the hospital with a completely broken pancreas! Strange...

This is not strange. It's like going from the couch to high level competition all at once. Hello muscle, tendon and even bone damage.
Wanting to return to a diet more in harmony with one's physiology is good, but still it is necessary to do it progressively according to age, background, one's own metabolism, etc. If Jobs has become raw-eating VGL, hoping probably some advantages, he led a life of patachon before and it is like wanting to have a crate in good condition after having let it rust for long enough. The VG, crudism, frugivorism, make reasonable "miracles" compared to a previous state, but that does not erase the past.
Now is there any way to know THE REAL way of life adopted by Jobs and his actor? Because the sensational newspapers: yuck! To have a healthy view of these lifestyles, you must have a sufficiently large panel of practitioners and compare the result with the nuances of lifestyle of each. So some are only VG out of sentimentality towards animals, but often eat anything, smoke, drink alcohol, supplement themselves with various products and medicinal forces because the health aspect is not their driving force; others are more attentive to their health, but are indifferent to the ecological impact and consume lots of chemicals as well. With regard to the AG, this is what the AADDC report suggests with its nuanced results.
If not you do well to experiment, it is the only way to perceive the differences when it is practiced over a sufficiently long period.
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by Obamot » 25/07/13, 11:30

Janic wrote:Obamot hello
Obamot wrote:Having pushed mimicry to adopt his biorhythm, his behavior and therefore his way of thinking, as well as eating the same diet as Steve Jobs (it must be said that he is already almost his double physically ...>), he ended up in the hospital with a completely broken pancreas! Strange...

This is not strange. It's like going from the couch to high level competition all at once. Hello muscle, tendon and even bone damage.
Wanting to return to a diet more in harmony with one's physiology is good, but still it is necessary to do it progressively according to age, background, one's own metabolism, etc. If Jobs has become raw-eating VGL, hoping probably some advantages, he led a life of patachon before and it is like wanting to have a crate in good condition after having let it rust for long enough. The VG, crudism, frugivorism, make reasonable "miracles" compared to a previous state, but that does not erase the past.

Yes, note that it was these words that I had been saying here for a long time and by which we were not quite on the same wavelength a few months ago.

With a small nuance, it is the case by case according to "individual characteristics". So indeed, it would not have scientific value in front of a college of experts, but they cannot deny the "Cambridge study" on China, which has already proved everything! (It is mentioned in the report of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn seen on Planète +)

Janic wrote:Now is there any way to know THE REAL way of life adopted by Jobs and his actor?

During his frugivorist period it seems ...
Yes but still, I note that in both cases, it happened with subjects still very young! In the case of Steve Jobs, he will have eaten more than half of his life relatively in the same way, his metabolism should therefore theoretically have had time to adapt, for his own will. And in the other, we are dealing with a subject who had not chosen his food bowl of his free will, but for the needs of the film ...

We should also note the major contradictions that animated Steve Jobs during his career: between "the ideal of computer technology that wanted to be user-friendly and even revolutionary", Coming to telescope with the constraints related to marketing and"necessary planned product obsolescence". Paradox which surely must have stirred him deeply (we'll see what the film will teach us on this subject, but the touch of the iPad - this "thing" opposite to everything that is user-friendly when you dig a little, since in particular, it was intentionally cut off from the home ethernet network - I still have it through my throat ...).

Fundamentally on the other hand, the dissociation (not to say the taboo) that the Anglo-Saxons make relatively between their mind and their relation to their body, makes that the prospect that it would be possible for them to interact in a positive way with it, poses a problem for them (which we hardly have in Europe except England - even Germany or among those who are very practicing in the biblical sense of the term - or culturally the simple notion of "fun"is almost repressed ...)

Janic wrote:Because the sensational newspapers: yuck! To have a healthy view of these lifestyles, you must have a sufficiently large panel of practitioners and compare the result with the nuances of lifestyle of each.

In the clinical cases of Dr. Esselstyn and / or the Chinese study, this is precisely what is highlighted. This does not prohibit caution ...

Janic wrote:So some are only VG out of sentimentality towards animals, but often eat anything, smoke, drink alcohol, supplement themselves with various products and medicinal forces because the health aspect is not their driving force; others are more attentive to their health, but are indifferent to the ecological impact and consume lots of chemicals as well. With regard to the AG, this is what the AADDC report suggests with its nuanced results.

Yes it is a whole. It is better to have a well oriented mind (a healthy mind) because it is the initial point which determines the rest. This is what still makes me some nice people in this forum!

Janic wrote:If not you do well to experiment, it is the only way to perceive the differences when it is practiced over a sufficiently long period.

... aaah that, I already had twice the means of comparison! And I can affirm that the “meaty bourgeois” diet (not so far from fast-food, finally) with its procession of sauces difficult because they are complex to digest, does not mix those who consume them towards health. Although still in a possibility of margin of progress without too many consequences, I clearly saw a proportional and progressive deterioration of my feeling (a regression of physical capacities) which I can't wait to restore ... So thanks for encouragement!
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by Janic » 25/07/13, 17:07

Obamot, re
Yes, note that it was these words that I had been saying here for a long time and by which we were not quite on the same wavelength a few months ago.

Because at the start you assumed that I came in opposition to your point of view and especially your experience through certain personalities, but it is true that we have more in common than differences.
With a small nuance near, it is the case-by-case according to the "individual characteristics". So indeed, it would not have scientific value in front of a college of experts, but they cannot deny the "Cambridge study" on China, which has already proved everything! (It is mentioned in the report of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn seen on Planète +)

Don't you want to talk about the Campbell report instead?
Only, the LV, for the most part and especially among those who have been practicing for a long time, it is not the expertise that counts, nor the studies (even favorable) but the experience. I wouldn't say we don't care, but just that a study confirming a situation is rather late for those who found themselves in a real situation and had to make choices that can involve a lifetime. So an ideal, as ideal as it is, is not a guarantee of success if it is not experienced (sometimes with bugs… it happens) otherwise it remains just an intellectual approach.
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Now is there any way to know THE REAL way of life adopted by Jobs and his actor?

During his frugivorist period it seems ...
Yes but still, I note that in both cases, this happened with subjects still very young!

Age is not the main criterion. To explain what vital capital is in individuals, I take the example of an opaque bottle containing a certain amount of liquid and the way of life consists in drilling a more or less important hole in this bottle. A sparse bottle with a small hole will last as long as a full bottle with a larger hole.
And a bottle with a big hole, which at a certain point is reduced, will only lengthen its flow time, but will not fill the bottle for all that. When it is empty, it is empty or, to use another expression ,: "you can't have your cake and eat it too"already if this mode brings more vitality and health, we can consider ourselves happy!
In the case of Steve Jobs, he will have eaten more than half of his life relatively in the same way, his metabolism should therefore theoretically have had time to adapt, for his own will.

Precisely not, in any case without certainty, everything depends on the state where the individual was when he changed his lifestyle, in what proportion, with what means, etc ... my experience has allowed me to meet everything and anything on the subject, but everyone has to lead their life as they see fit and therefore sometimes silence is required.
And in the other, we are dealing with a subject who had not chosen his food bowl of his free will, but for the needs of the film ...

I can not take into account the second case given the way it happened, it is as if an actor, to put himself in the shoes of his character, serial killer, became murderous.
To all the people I meet face to face, through an intermediary or now on the Internet and who ask me for advice, I recommend caution and above all progressiveness depending on their health history. (except vital emergency because when there is a fire we do not look to wet the furniture, however some believe that a bucket of water will be enough to extinguish the fire)
This is what bothers me a little on this subject when one or more products are considered miraculous in themselves (anti oxidants, anti cancer as we say anti viral, anti febrifuge, etc ... (result of the distortion that Western medicine distilled in the minds of patients and caregivers) as if this provided the key to this "pathology", on one side of cabbage and on the other a beer (I am not referring to anyone! 8)) :D
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by Obamot » 25/07/13, 18:07

Janic wrote:Obamot, re
Obamot wrote:Yes, note that it was these words that I had been saying here for a long time and by which we were not quite on the same wavelength a few months ago.

Because at the start you assumed that I came in opposition to your point of view and especially your experience through certain personalities, but it is true that we have more in common than differences.

It's like any complicated matter, there is sometimes something to be wary of. And then we can sometimes be excessive, which we should beware of ... I admit it.

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Obamot wrote:With a small nuance near, it is the case-by-case according to the "individual characteristics". So indeed, it would not have scientific value in front of a college of experts, but they cannot deny the "Cambridge study" on China, which has already proved everything! (It is mentioned in the report of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn seen on Planète +)

Don't you want to talk about the Campbell report instead?

I can't rewind, since it was only after I started recording ... But if it was in this report that it was highlighted that there were certain cancer pathologies that disappeared from one region to another depending on eating habits (and therefore excessive consumption of animal products), so yes, this is it.

Janic wrote:Only, the LV, for the most part and especially among those who have been practicing for a long time, it is not the expertise that counts, nor the studies (even favorable) but the experience.

There the conventional "scientific" approach, does not really help in this field ... I have a pharmacist friend, who was well "trained" since he was supporting me yesterday, that we cannot do much against cancer (the brother of one of his relatives was the victim) but here he is wrong, because we cannot be affirmative, since in many cases practice shows the opposite (especially in orthomolecular medicine) . During autopsies following suspicious death, forensic scientists often discover dozens of resorbed tumors.

La "luck" that we have - and on which conventional medicine is also based - is that it is not necessary to extract an intrinsic factor from all the organizations concerned without a difference being perceptible between all. Image
At the same time, it is the big contradiction of the medicine known as of fireman, who comes to use scuds to blow a fire of bengal.

Janic wrote:I wouldn't say we don't care, but just that a study confirming a situation is rather late for those who found themselves in a real situation and had to make choices that can involve a lifetime. So an ideal, as ideal as it is, is not a guarantee of success if it is not experienced (sometimes with bugs… it happens) otherwise it remains just an intellectual approach.

Late? Who can say, since it fluctuates from one subject to another (?) Notwithstanding the Chinese study ... Regarding whoever would like to get started, the best would be to say "It is never too late to do well". Even if quite honestly, having never done anything for your health doesn't bode well.

Janic wrote:
Obamot wrote:
Janic wrote:Now is there any way to know THE REAL way of life adopted by Jobs and his actor?

During his frugivorist period it seems ...
Yes but still, I note that in both cases, this happened with subjects still very young!

Age is not the main criterion. To explain what vital capital is in individuals, I take the example of an opaque bottle containing a certain amount of liquid and the way of life consists in drilling a more or less important hole in this bottle. A sparse bottle with a small hole will last as long as a full bottle with a larger hole.
And a bottle with a big hole, which at some point is reduced, will only lengthen its flow time, but will not fill the bottle either.

In some cases, favorable but rare, we can put back a little float and at the same time act on the diameter of the hole. Otherwise we could not cure allergies for example (well it is a personal conviction on what I experienced).
Rather, I see it as the body's ability to restore balance, where instability occurs (and it happens all the time, every day, all of its life). It is only when the body can no longer respond to the "stress" that it is undergoing that pathologies develop (or even to the final stage).

And there, the capacity of the human body is still quite large. Except to live all the time with "the sliders to donf": cigarette, booze, junk food added to a sedentary life, or even worse with suicidal tendencies (conscious or not), sickness leading to the consumption of drug / s in conjunction with associal behavior leading to some psychopathy ...> After all, we will not be surprised by the emergence of filth like HIV or cancer, in these real quasi-conditions of self-destruction which have an amplifying effect ...

Was it the case of these two people, honestly I don't think so. This is what appeals to me all the more.

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Obamot wrote:In the case of Steve Jobs, he will have eaten more than half of his life relatively in the same way, his metabolism should therefore theoretically have had time to adapt, for his own will.

Precisely not, in any case without certainty, everything depends on the state where the individual was when he changed his lifestyle, in what proportion, with what means, etc ... my experience has allowed me to meet everything and anything on the subject, but everyone has to lead their life as they see fit and therefore sometimes silence is required.

I will not say the opposite : Lol: especially as we should get out of the special cases, when looking for general rules ...

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Obamot wrote:And in the other, we are dealing with a subject who had not chosen his food bowl of his free will, but for the needs of the film ...

I can not take into account the second case given the way it happened, it is as if an actor, to put himself in the shoes of his character, serial killer, became murderous.

In the case of suicide, he could not have participated in his own filming! However, it almost happened ...

Janic wrote:To all the people I meet face to face, through an intermediary or now on the Internet and who ask me for advice, I recommend caution and above all progressiveness depending on their health history. (except vital emergency because when there is a fire we do not look to wet the furniture, however some believe that a bucket of water will be enough to extinguish the fire)

No comment. In any case if you succeed, you are very lucky, I have never yet managed to really make someone aware, even with the method of "without wanting to touch it". Ah, yes, only once, but the person had already heard of the "good" method. Like what the discussions are not useless, the ideas must make their way and that people are receptive!

Janic wrote:This is what bothers me a little on this subject when one or more products are considered miraculous in themselves (anti oxidants, anti cancer as we say anti viral, anti febrifuge, etc ... (result of the distortion that Western medicine distilled in the minds of patients and caregivers) as if this provided the key to this "pathology", on one side of cabbage and on the other a beer (I am not referring to anyone! 8)) :D

Ah, you too think the same, so there are many of us here. ;)
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by Janic » 26/07/13, 11:32

Janic wrote:
Don't you want to talk about the Campbell report instead?

I can't rewind, since it was only after I started recording ... But if it was in this report that it was highlighted that there were certain cancer pathologies that disappeared from one region to another depending on eating habits (and therefore excessive consumption of animal products), so yes, this is it
This is the Campbell report in question and which deserves to be better known by the general public, if only its introduction.

Campbell Report.pdf
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I wouldn't say we don't care, but just that a study confirming a situation is rather late for those who found themselves in a real situation and had to make choices that can involve a lifetime. So an ideal, as ideal as it is, is not a guarantee of success if it is not experienced (sometimes with bugs… it happens) otherwise it remains just an intellectual approach.
Late? Who can say, since it fluctuates from one subject to another (?) Notwithstanding the Chinese study ... Regarding whoever would like to get started, the best would be to say "that it’s never too late to do well. ” Even if quite honestly, having never done anything for your health doesn't bode well.
I said late for those who died BEFORE that reports (which could have prevented these deaths) were published. So let's not wait for reports, even favorable ones, let's act first even at the risk of making a mistake (which is improbable when we rely on the experience and experience of its predecessors.)
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Age is not the main criterion.
In some cases, favorable but rare, WE CAN GIVE A LITTLE FLEET and at the same time act on the diameter of the hole. Otherwise we could not cure allergies for example (well it is a personal conviction on what I experienced).
So I don't know the recipe.
Rather, I see it as the body's ability to restore balance, where instability occurs (and it happens all the time, every day, all of its life). It is only when the body can no longer respond to the "stress" that it is undergoing that pathologies develop (or even to the final stage).
Certainly, the living have amazing faculties to repair our mistakes, but for the moment no one knows if it is at the expense of something else, because these repairs inevitably draw on capital.
After all we will not be surprised at the emergence of filth like HIV or cancer, in these veritable quasi-conditions of self-destruction which have an amplifying effect ...
As the Assumed HIV which has still not been found!
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To all the people I meet face to face, through an intermediary or now on the Internet and who ask me for advice, I recommend caution and above all progressiveness depending on their health history. (except vital emergency because when there is a fire we do not look to wet the furniture, however some believe that a bucket of water will be enough to extinguish the fire)
No comment. In any case if you succeed, you are very lucky, I have never yet managed to really make someone aware, even with the method of "without wanting to touch it". Ah, yes, only once, but the person had already heard of the "good" method. Like what the discussions are not useless, the ideas must make their way and that people are receptive!
I share this opinion, sow and do not worry about what will be harvested. What escapes us are the conditions that will be favorable or not, to the growth and in some it will never grow, that's life!
I have been thinking and experimenting for so many years that it is not speaking that counts but demonstrating, through experience, the impact of a life choice and I have therefore been able to observe that those who, at the beginning, accused of unconsciousness, of sectarian, even criminal and suicidal behavior, not seeing death, the predicted degradation coming, very slowly turned gown and became sympathizers, if not adhering completely to the philosophy of VG like me, and carrying it better, even late.
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by Obamot » 27/07/13, 14:34

Janic wrote:
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Janic wrote:Don't you want to talk about the Campbell report instead?

I can't rewind, since it was only after I started recording ... But if it was in this report that it was highlighted that there were certain cancer pathologies that disappeared from one region to another depending on eating habits (and therefore excessive consumption of animal products), so yes, this is it
This is the Campbell report in question and which deserves to be better known by the general public, if only its introduction.

Campbell Report.pdf

Did you put a link? If yes, it is not active, something is missing there ... Otherwise, it would be nice to find it!

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Obamot wrote:In some cases, favorable but rare, WE CAN GIVE A LITTLE FLEET and at the same time act on the diameter of the hole. Otherwise we could not cure allergies for example (well it is a personal conviction on what I experienced).
So i don't know the recipe

There is not "ONE" recipe! I agree with the principle of your explanation, but at the same time it is not only a personal conviction ... It all depends on how we define the "point of no return" and in which case it is really reached.
There are flashbacks in some possible cases, and not in others. I had managed to "put the fleet back" bit by bit, for a good twenty years, and it bore these fruits not only, but the effect can be lasting in certain subjects (it is my case, what a bowl ...). I see it rather as a possibility of acting on the adjustment variables (of stress-pathological control) man (and biological species in general) would be able to contribute to being at the equilibrium point of 'a Gaussian curve. The point you describe (going towards the empty bottle) would only come true close to the "point of no return". As long as it is not reached, the body has a full capacity to restore its balance (if indeed it is given certain means ...).
Basically, we can live a long time with almost no water in the bottle, since in fact we fill it every day (sleep is a good illustration, and also the need for rest when we are reached by the disease, and that allows a RE-establishment). But there are other examples of referrals, such as being able to fill a gap (s)! In fact I realize that we have "several bottles" which constitute our ... "vital capital", and not just one! And it's up to us to ...

Proof of this is great athletes (I'm not talking about competition), with a body at the top of their capacity added to the mind that goes with it, and who suddenly disappear from illness ... We can't really say that until then, they performed with an almost empty bottle! The body does not work like that, the idea of ​​the bottle supposes a prior and palpable decline (since it works like that). It is clear that there are other factors that cannot be explained by the simple fact that a single bottle would have been emptied suddenly, all at once.

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Obamot wrote:Rather, I see it as the body's ability to restore balance, where instability occurs (and it happens all the time, every day, all of its life). It is only when the body can no longer respond to the "stress" that it is undergoing that pathologies develop (or even to the final stage).
Certainly, the living has amazing faculties to repair our mistakes, but for now nobody knows if it is at the expense of something else,

That ... we discover it every day!

Janic wrote:Because these repairs inevitably draw on capital.

Yes, but there is a principle of communicating vases! And the mind counts for a lot, in the implementation (should I say the spirit, the good spirit ...).
The time when an individual reaches the peak of their capacity / performance is very decisive! For mathematicians, it would be really very young! For tennis players it would be too early, for grandfathers / grandmothers ... not before having had their offspring ... Basically, this can be counted in months, even in weeks before "end"... and is it really a "end"........ Since moreover - depending on the case - this Vital capital was not lost, it could for example feed the Vital Capital of other specimens (and vice versa ...)

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Obamot wrote:After all we will not be surprised at the emergence of filth like HIV or cancer, in these veritable quasi-conditions of self-destruction which have an amplifying effect ...
As the Assumed HIV which has still not been found!

Yes, this amuses me a lot at the moment (I laugh less when I am infected with a virus ...)
It amuses me when I hear a minister of health go over the fact that this or that virus would be particularly virulent (compared to another ...? But what do they mean ...) yes that makes me laugh! To date, we have never seen a virus wriggle like a sperm or bacteria. Since a virus is not alive! The only ability a virus has is to be a poison ("organic[?]" it is not always very clear, as in the controversial case of HIV) poison having the capacity "To cause illness" which is described in terms of "Pathogenicity".

This is where your metaphor on the empty bottle VS Full vital capacity. Clearly to stay healthy - the bottle has a de facto hole - it would be to say that health depends on our own capacity to fill the bottle emptying. Below a certain threshold, we would often be sick (degenerative, chronic diseases and other complications). Above said level, our organism would have the capacity to manage alone, its self-defense mechanisms. In between, the chemical industry entirely devoted and willing to offer us (hear sell at high prices) ersatz that our body should in principle be able to produce itself in an original and specific way.

With the usual reservations, because we are all special cases!

Janic wrote:so I could see that those who, at the beginning, accused me [...] very slowly turned gown [...]

we are forced to learn humility ...
I know more than one here who ...

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by Janic » 27/07/13, 15:06

Hello
indeed, with the image of the bottle (this is an extreme simplification), we cannot say if it is alone, if there are others, if they communicate or fill up again or not. I prefer the first solution because if it does not seem optimizing, it encourages caution in its use and if there is the rab, so much the better!
for the link of a PDF, I don't know how to do it so you have to type: "Campbell report. pdf" and various sites offer it otherwise I can send you this introduction by MP, if that works!
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by Christophe » 04/08/13, 23:45

Christophe wrote:After the Nuts, the mango!

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and one more reason (well, not for everyone, eh!):

Eating a ripe mango 20 minutes before a joint increases the effects tenfold

Strange, isn't it? And yet, it has been shown that myrcene, an active ingredient of plant origin, helps THC molecules to circulate in the blood, facilitating them quick and efficient access to your brain.


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