Special Envoy: the "Descenders"

[Did67]

Did67 tells us ...

He says nothing at all !!! I do not understand !!!

It seemed to me that I had preached a kind of tolerance, wanted to explain that the images were reductive, that we had to judge less radically because we, ourselves, could be at the heart of contradictions ...

I must have missed my shot. Sorry...

[Christophe]

1) Yes Rulian: yes there are people who are slow or jealous everywhere ... in fact the pepper they wanted it for them that's why they moan!

You will admit that the report was, I think, deliberately edited in a way to discredit the green movement as a whole mostly pretending to be stingy ... and showing the most radical behavior or phrases et forgetting to explain the whole process as Ludo explains (welcome and thank you for your registration / explanation). It's a shame for Special Envoy but since then they have done "worse": https://www.econologie.com/forums/bio-nanote ... t7153.html

So imagine the single mother with a minimum wage with 1 child who manages to save € 50 per month for "leisure" who hears that a young engineer couple who earns € 5000 per month do the trash?

In short, this report is enough to make the shit in the head of the French (and according to certain reactions it succeeded) ... especially in times of "crisis" ...

2) But there is still something that leaves me perplexed in this paradoxical behavior of the "fairly high" purchasing power recovering (do not call me coconut, I think I am also a little part of it like many econologists of the forums I think): save yes but in the end the money is made to be spent (invests) ...

So question to Ludovic : what do you plan to do with your money since you seem to save it quite easily, 2 key items of expenditure being largely reduced in your case, food (recovers) and rent (roommate) ...

Money is a means of purchasing power ... leaving it in the bank is bullshit. So what do you do or what do you plan to do with it? In other words: do you have "sustainable" medium-term projects?

3) Ludovic: +1 with the badly chosen title and the "voluntary simplicity" which would have been better suited (except the 2nd doc: living in ourte is already more than simplicity) and let's leave the real decreasing ones, these extremists, in their corner ...

At this rate, soon, any handyman who tries to repair rather than throwing / buying new will be treated as an environmentalist and a decreasing villain ...

What to remember from all this and these manipulations: maybe the elites are starting to "fear" this "green" movement (which I think is much more powerful than pure political ecology, sorry Rulian please do not troll) which goes against, concretely and without blah, consuming always more?

In short: behavior not good at all for the sacred GDP which unfortunately remains (as it is no longer adapted to the modern world) the "benchmark" index for economists and politicians!

[Rulian]

You will admit that the report was, I think, deliberately edited in a way to discredit the green movement as a whole

Completely agree with the general tone of the report.

What to remember from all this and these manipulations: maybe the elites are starting to "fear" this "green" movement (which I think is much more powerful than pure political ecology, sorry Rulian please do not troll) which goes against, concretely and without blah, consuming always more?

Completely agree. Don't think I'm a fan of pure political ecology. It's a choice of reason for me. You have to do well with what you have to also influence through the ballot box. Besides, I am pushing so that my "green political" colleagues open their eyes to this big movement of voluntary simplicity in society, and draw the conclusions.

[Christophe]

Oh shit! What a shock!

Rulian is 2 times in a row perfectly agree with me?

ps: for political ecology, we must admit that without them, there could be much less awareness and action! I'm not 100% anti-political either ...

[Ahmed]

I noticed on several posts, Christophe, that you use the word "political" in a reduced sense of political politics or of parties.
Politics, in the broad sense, concerns all aspects of "living together", which means that everything is political and that as M Jourdain used to prose without knowing it, we all do politics!

[Christophe]

Yes Ahmed you are absolutely right (once again) ... for example: econology is politics ... of life (but not only)!

But for many people, the definition of policy is the domain reserved for elected officials ... so I adapt ...

[LUDOTEK]

So what do you do with it or what do you intend to do with it?

Yes yes we have rather precise plans for our savings: a travel plan: http://www.dialoguesurterre.fr/

And thank you for the link to your website: you'd better put the ouache of content, because it doesn't interest me that much.

It's planned !!

Degrowth, crisis, ecology ... I do not hide from you that many thoughts are taking place in my head at the moment, and I fear that I will not have enough time to talk about everything here.

Well, I recently discovered the author Edouard Goldsmith, one of the precursors of the ecological idea / movement, founders of "the ecologist", who criticizes the notion of development and puts man in his place. One of his texts:
http://www.teddygoldsmith.org/page4.html

It's funny, because even before knowing his thoughts, which says the same, we looked at our trip with the conviction that undeveloped peoples have many things to teach us, things that we have forgotten, in particular. term of lifestyle and quality of life.

Crisis ? I see it as a good opportunity to change the current system which structurally does not take into account the environment and ecosystems.
If it is catastrophic for millions of unemployed, it is not for the planet. Recession is ultimately better than growth as we know it!

nb: maybe my words will shock, it's deliberate, we are in a forum, you have to provoke a little reflection, damn it.

[nad31]

Good morning all! I see that there are a lot of amalgamations on the decreasing ... stingy, sect etc ... the word "decreasing" is scary for some I have always been against overconsumption and its does not make me a stingy! but just the result of an education and reality of life, I apply this to my two children, except that for us organic is still expensive ... I boyocote the supermarkets, and I make balanced menus for my children, bread in hand, the juices, thanks to her I bought second-hand bikes, for me it's system d, with 500e per month I have no choice; but I'm doing! of course no unnecessary outing, I do sewing and I recycle clothes, I make creations, my daughter and I stay very feminine !!!!! we are not a sect far from the! it is just the reflection and the sickening result of a society which ask us to be productive! for who? Why? turn your gaze to Africa and you will understand a lot! cordially

[pasquet]

Hello,
I am making a documentary on the decreasing ones. The daily life of a person, of a family who has had the courage to change their life, to abandon a certain comfort in order to find another.

I am looking for a family who would accept to be followed for one or two days in their daily commitment, ecological, family.

You can contact me at the following address: definitiveman@hotmail.com or in response to this comment.

Emmanuel