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by tigrou_838 » 28/02/09, 09:13

hello, just a little thing for Lietseu about this

you say:

"" I saw some wood with a log saw, when it's a scout wood chore, you are 13 years old and you have energy to spare, when it is to help out the parents (who occasionally gets hot wood) at 30, you have strength and endurance, but if it's every day ... and you're past 50, then you see your chainsaw as a ray of sunshine, you have to stay correct, right? ""

I am 50 years old and I can tell you that cutting a small piece of wood does me good and does not scare me, I currently consume 5 cubic meters per year.

I know a lot of people like me who don't have a chainsaw.

no comment.

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by Rulian » 28/02/09, 14:34

I've been reading for a while (edit: better vocabulary)some reactions(/ edit) on this report, and I am quite shocked. You are always looking for the little beast to conclude that in any case "I will blow their face well"

- a woman chooses a hermit life close to zero footprint: ah but no but it is a cheater she has a petrol chainsaw. Boo the treacherous !!

- a guy refuses to offer plastic crap that fart in 2 months to his kids: this bastard wants to offer them nothing as a toy! Ah, the filthy kids' frustrating stingy !!

- a young couple fully optimizes their lifestyle: roommate to make economies of scale, pooling of car, amap, compost: ah but no it is daddy's sons of bobos who take the vegetables lost from the markets of the mouth of the homeless. Arg the ignoble starvers of the poor !!

You go headlong in the shortcuts of the report, and you want to burn without thinking the witches that are thrown at you, concentrating on the straw in the eye of these quidams and conveniently forgetting the beams that there can be in yours, with your eyes. Frankly, I thought you were thinner than the TV journalists. Obviously I am wrong.

I found the three examples of the report very interesting, and the three cases illustrated frankly courageous and interesting approaches.

Alors LUDOTEK, I tell you: there are more limited than those who do not want to think. I have seen mountains of reactions on many websites (including the forum Special Envoy), and you got a kick out of it. And frankly it pains me. So forget about all those jerks. Time will prove you right. And thank you for the link to your website: you'd better put the ouache of content, because it doesn't interest me that much.
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by Lietseu » 28/02/09, 15:25

:P For tigger :P

1 ° you are not a woman ....
2 ° you are visibly in good health

And that sums up what I think (in very brief) :P
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by Lietseu » 28/02/09, 17:52

Hello...

I don't think I wrote that I wanted to break someone's face, I wrote: "This report was really to vomit with shame and disgust, if I had to meet such people in my youth-despite my taste for philosophy-I think I would have smashed their face ..."

Note in italics the first part of this sentence: "This report was really to vomit with shame and disgust" which explains why you are all busy contesting it. : Cheesy:

Why this sentence, because obviously we were taken for cons ...

In bold italics: "if I had had to meet such people in my youth - despite my taste for philosophy" or those who know me better will read the nuance, when we are young we are more impulsive, but I always had the luck or the intelligence not to frequent Snob BCBG which unfortunately I could not avoid at school ... which did not prevent me from understanding them ... and from receiving their confidences ...

And finally in bold, underlined: "I think I would have busted their face…" please note the: "I think so" which introduces a doubt, which totally escaped our two main victims of the documentary (which for once was, caricatural, frumpy, reductive and bordering on vulgar in the broadest sense of the term) and to our environmental friends who already know better where to turn as far as I am concerned ...

Did67 tells us:
"Even for the kid, you have to see that when you adopt an extreme choice, you have to revise your position in relation to the children. I trained mine in the depths of the African bush, and I could not help but ask myself the question: "by what right to impose that on them?" ... There, the idea; "to each his life, by definition, I respect since I ask that one respects me", seems to me admissible (even if I also, it was itching to stick one on him, to the kid) ... "

What I stand for is the idea that this obsession with trying to keep our kids safe from everything is

1 °: very "modern" and the fact of people who have the means to put up with the slightest whim of their children ... one of my kids, come back from school 16 years old and announces to us: "the school trip next year this goes to Italy and will cost 1000 € ". There, I ask her, if she thinks that we can decently pay 2 months rent for a 10-day expedition to Italy… she, that did not pose a problem to her…
So if your children are educated in ignorance of your material and financial worries, you have set out to make them first-class "over consumers", which they already are by the force of marketing which attacks them all the time.
2 °: Harmful, because life on this planet is hard and merciless, protected the kids from everything does not help them, on the contrary…
3 °: and regarding your kid, I believe that when she grows up, she will talk to you about traveling with "stars in her eyes" (unless she is very ungrateful, which I do not wish you)

This will clarify the point of view on what I have written, I hope.
Do not lose sight, that on a forum, the words if they remain are not (as in a conversation) always understood, you give us a nice illustration…

I stop my very long answer ... and wish you to discover the meaning of this life which is so dear to all of us in the respect and understanding of the other.

With greetings from Lietseu :P
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by Lietseu » 28/02/09, 18:04

Rulian wrote:I've been reading for a while (edit: better vocabulary)some reactions(/ edit) on this report, and I am quite shocked. You are always looking for the little beast to conclude that in any case "I will blow their face well" ...


Please read it again, Rulian :D

I believe that we agree and that the controversy must stop there, the main thing has been said, I would prefer to read what our two young friends have to explain about their positions, it will be more interesting than our analysis ( wise or not) of the show…

What if we opened a post that talks about your convictions the two lovebirds?

Greetings to all and see you soon :P
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by Rulian » 28/02/09, 18:34

When in the same post we read this kind of inexpensive judgment:
Lietseu wrote:I always had the luck or the intelligence not to frequent Snob BCBG which unfortunately I could not avoid at school…

then at the end:

Lietseu wrote:and wish you to discover the meaning of this life which is so dear to all of us while respecting and understanding each other.

There is something to be puzzled ...

Always a story of straw and beam.
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by Lietseu » 28/02/09, 18:42

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by elephant » 28/02/09, 19:36

Lietseu wrote:

1 °: very "modern" and the fact of people who have the means to put up with the slightest whim of their children ... one of my kids, come back from school 16 years old and announces to us: "the school trip next year this goes to Italy and will cost 1000 € ". There, I ask her, if she thinks that we can decently pay 2 months rent for a 10-day expedition to Italy… she, that did not pose a problem to her…
So if your children are educated in ignorance of your material and financial worries, you have set out to make them first-class "over consumers", which they already are by the force of marketing which attacks them all the time.
2 °: Harmful, because life on this planet is hard and merciless, protected the kids from everything does not help them, on the contrary…
3 °: and regarding your kid, I believe that when she grows up, she will talk to you about traveling with "stars in her eyes" (unless she is very ungrateful, which I do not wish you)



It is good for that that one warns a year in advance: the time for the young person to find small job's. My daughter finances her own internships abroad by giving lessons and concerts (20 years old, 3rd baccalaureate in music.) Everyone has their own thing! Even if we were richer, we would encourage him in this way.
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by Lietseu » 28/02/09, 21:55

All children are not equal before God and elephant men ... you cannot make autistic kids work ...

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by Woodcutter » 28/02/09, 23:10

Bravo Ludovic and thank you for this little update!
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