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by Remundo » 27/01/08, 19:17

Christophe wrote:Biomass has a much greater potential than wind power to replace thermal power plants ...

But we still want to centralize everything in France so that an elite keeps control of everything


Absolutely.

the decentralized production, by EACH home, of electricity has never been supported by EDF.

And yet it is the most relevant solution because with cogeneration, we have everything: heat and electricity. Take a small rotten Diesel, domestic fuel, plug in a dynamo and cool the gases with water ... caricatural you say, but it works!

And if in addition, you use wood instead of fuel, you have an almost zero carbon footprint. The best alternative would even be a Stirling instead of an internal combustion engine, for noise and efficiency.

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by Arthur_64 » 27/01/08, 19:55

But who has an interest in our moving towards energy self-sufficiency? Besides the planet and us?
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by Christophe » 27/01/08, 20:26

Remundo wrote:the decentralized production, by EACH home, of electricity has never been supported by EDF.


Maaaaaaaaaaaais siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !! They are the ones who buy your electricity at an ADVANTAGEOUS price (lol) if you have a project and it is accepted (provide 20% of the budget under the table) ... It proves that they invest no ?

Well, no kidding ... the reality is that Edf retains its monopoly on distribution and mining engineers or polytechnics are very good at calculating the "best prices" and criteria for purchasing electricity .... to keep the system in its current form as long as possible ...

Because if the projects were really profitable and accessible, there would be hundreds of thousands ... Everything is just at the "limit" of profitability to preserve the integrity of a system ... Here is the (sad) reality ...

ps: for the cogé I think about it more and more, with our buffer of 70 m3 ca should really be not bad ... in any case much better than PV panels for example ... but each thing in its time. ..
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by Remundo » 27/01/08, 23:33

All this is true Christophe.

But at the same time, everyone, from the individual to the multinational, is caught up in their obligations, activities, sometimes blinders and lobbying, and therefore many interesting things are not done, even if they are economically viable ...

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by jean63 » 28/01/08, 00:01

delnoram wrote:HS
jean63 wrote: They are placed in places quite far from small villages headed in the mountains.


Hi Jean63
Palms and no heads ... no
It surprises me from you :D

I should have written "lost" ......... :?

As for the ortho of lost or headed ... so there is no ortho? origin?
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by bham » 28/01/08, 07:00

Christophe wrote: ps: for the cogé I think about it more and more, with our buffer of 70 m3 ca should really be not bad ... in any case much better than PV panels for example ... but each thing in its time. ..

Ah you would see that how a cogeneration coupled to the buffer ?? I'm a little lost there.
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by Christophe » 28/01/08, 09:05

bham wrote:Ah you would see that how a cogeneration coupled to the buffer ?? I'm a little lost there.


Uh is that a joke your question? The cogé would heat the tampon in winter or below a certain T ° when there is a need for a supplement that's all ... Technologically it is easily possible ...

A cogé must be much more profitable than PV panels ... especially if you can mount it yourself (i.e. without having to buy it at € 30 from escrologists ...) ...
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by bham » 28/01/08, 10:20

Christophe wrote:
bham wrote:Ah you would see that how a cogeneration coupled to the buffer ?? I'm a little lost there.


Uh is that a joke your question? The cogé would heat the tampon in winter or below a certain T ° when there is a need for a supplement that's all ... Technologically it is easily possible ...

Okay, but would it be a boiler (deom?) (If not powered by what?) That would provide heat and electricity?
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by Christophe » 28/01/08, 10:43

Uh yes and no it would be a bump in place of the oil boiler which is no longer used there ...

By cons I do not know yet if it will be a diesel oil (+ fuel oil?) Or a wood striling ... see a micro gasification (unlikely given the complexity and performance but good ...).

Stirling can be interesting but it is still a lot more expensive for investment ...

I gave myself the year 2008 to study the "dossier" ...

ps: if you answer directly following a message, try to avoid using quotes ...
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by abyssin3 » 28/01/08, 10:52

In general, we always consume more and more.
And consumption rhymes with pollution.
How do you want the average 65 million French people:
1 ° go to the supermarket every week buying a majority of products in packaging, or in the absence of intensively grown fruit. ditto the meat.

2 ° watch the stupefying machine (TV) 3:30 / day (I exaggerate it was 3:24 the average in 2006), and always have more electronic devices (manufactured we know where), change the fridge because the color displeases, or that the next will be programmable by tel. portable. or wifi

3 ° Change furniture every year because Ikea makes a 3x free of charge,

4 ° Change cars every two years because
- "they want to change"
- or "the brakes are starting to get slack"
- or "it's cheaper than keeping it until the end"
- or "yes but I also ride so much ..."
- or "who cares because" the news pollutes less anyway ""
- or "yeah but with the new 10%" free "loan and all-inclusive Renault assistance it was too tempting! Too much of the ball !!!"

5 ° go and bask on the beach at the other end of France, see the world during the holidays,

6 ° become a model of development for the billion emerging Chinese

and all that WITHOUT POLLUER??

You have to stay clear a little.

More purchasing power = more power to pollute (but no more power to reason)
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