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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Christophe » 29/09/17, 12:51

nico239 wrote:This would imply that the manufacturers of batteries that are supplied for phones with the Android operating system (system used by several different manufacturers) would be in cahoots with Orange and Co. to reduce the life of their batteries depending on the duration of Orange et cie packages ????

It seems highly improbable, not to say fanciful ... : Shock:


No, no collusion ... just the adaptation of packages to the "life" of the batteries ... (as a reminder a battery is considered dead when it has lost only 30% of its initial capacity ...) ... And changing a laptop is as interesting for manufacturers as for operators (What is pollution and resources? We don't care !!)

And the "€ 1 cell phone" + credit (via overcharged subscription or not necessary) was a wonderful marketing invention since customers did not feel like they were paying for their beautiful phone *

Also 2 years is the European legal warranty (with exceptions on batteries ...)

I am not claiming that there is "something" which deliberately degrades the capacity of the batteries after battery 2 years ... I just noticed it on a sample of 2 Samsung devices (and a 2015 Sony Android does not didn't do that ...) ... so it's not worth much.

But I repeat that it was pretty obvious in my 2 cases ... enough for me to see it and remember it ...

* from memory the French change their mobile phone every 18 months on average ... so most people should not notice this drop every 2 years of birthday ...
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Christophe » 29/09/17, 13:47

Antutu Tester allows you to do extensive tests on an Android battery:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... ster&hl=fr

I have just launched an in-depth test (I invite others to do so ... to compare). I hope there will be an indication of mAh ...

I will also test the battery alone with a lithim charger which gives the exact mAh that passes through the battery.

I would compare everything with the original capacity of the battery, so this will give an idea of ​​the wear after 5 years!
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Did67 » 29/09/17, 14:44

nico239 wrote:It seems highly improbable, not to say fanciful ... : Shock:


The system of "free" laptops included in the package is by far not the dominant economic model in the world ... So indeed, one can wonder.

On the other hand, that the manufacturers do not make a violent effort to "correct" this weak point, and prefer to sell the new model for which they have invested billions and which comes out precisely when your batteries are low, that we can l 'imagine. Review what we said above about "pure technical obsolescence" and "economic obsolescence", which in electronics meet to the point that it is difficult to know what dominates ...

There are obviously technological "breakthroughs". Like, for example, when Jobs presented the first iPhone. Suddenly, all Nokia; Ericson and other Alcatels were getting ridiculous ...

But it will be difficult to make me believe that we are not doing in "economic" obsolescence when we go from the iPhone 7 to 8 (or I don't know how many, I don't have any)! What a break ??? Some gadgets ... But mega-advertising campaigns to make you believe that if you don't have it, you're a has-been. And indeed, very quickly, your batteries a little weak which leave you stranded ... And not easy to change ... So you replace. CQFD. There too, the very complicated encrustation of the batteries has technical reasons: you can scratch a few mm thick. But once again it will be hard for me to believe that we are not happy to make you understand that it is "almost as simple and not much more expensive to buy a new one". So we flirt with planned obsolescence. Perhaps without it being formal, I admit.

What surprises me is that no manufacturer takes this trend against the grain by presenting a simple model, with a soft battery, changeable with a simple click-clack. For all those who get put every two years gave. Are we so minority that it does not even make a niche market ???
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Christophe » 29/09/17, 15:40

Christophe wrote:I have just launched an in-depth test (I invite others to do so ... to compare). I hope there will be an indication of mAh ...


Result with my old Ace2: 3194 ... the problem is that it is an arbitrary comparative unit (nothing to do with mAh and therefore no way to have a software estimate obviously ...) I am classified between a Nexus 5 and an LT26ii.

My Ace2 has a battery of 5.70 Wh / 3.8V nominal or 1500 mAh
The Nexus 5 has a 2300 mAh battery
The LT26ii also has a 1500 mAh battery

The LT26ii score is very close to the Ace2 score ... the Antutu results therefore seem linear to the battery capacity ... without certainty ...

I'm going to discharge the battery and have it charged by my lithium charger ... there I would have a good value for the current mAh that the battery takes ...
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by sicetaitsimple » 29/09/17, 18:01

Did67 wrote:
What surprises me is that no manufacturer takes this trend against the grain by presenting a simple model, with a soft battery, changeable with a simple click-clack. For all those who get put every two years gave. Are we so minority that it does not even make a niche market ???


There is a Dutch box whose concept is a bit like what you describe. Without ads:

https://www.fairphone.com/fr/
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Did67 » 29/09/17, 19:01

Of course, without ads! But it's still nice to give them a little bit here, right ???
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by sicetaitsimple » 29/09/17, 19:14

I don't know how to interpret your answer? Critical or on the contrary happy?

I hate to advertise a brand on a forum, on the other hand I had to give the link otherwise it didn't make sense.

But hey, I do not work in the telephone, I obviously have no link with this box and do not have one of their products .... If it falls, let's be Machiavellian it's even shitty, and they want to sell a lot spare parts!
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Christophe » 29/09/17, 20:24

Advertising for innovative eco-friendly things is tolerated here ...

I have known the Fairphone for a few years but I have never had it in my hands. Its distribution seems confidential to me, right? Well yes it does not bring enough money to the operators !!

Otherwise, more and more smartphones (including the Sony Z2 that I have had since 2015) have built-in batteries (on the iphone), their change is possible (full opening of the laptop) but much more laborious than for example a Samsung with battery compartment which opens with 1 click (10 to 20 seconds ... to change the battery)
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by sicetaitsimple » 29/09/17, 20:36

Christophe wrote:Advertising for innovative eco-friendly things is tolerated here ...



Of which act, here I am released!
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Re: The industrial obsolescence, history of deception




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 29/09/17, 21:04

Christophe wrote:
nico239 wrote:This would imply that the manufacturers of batteries that are supplied for phones with the Android operating system (system used by several different manufacturers) would be in cahoots with Orange and Co. to reduce the life of their batteries depending on the duration of Orange et cie packages ????

It seems highly improbable, not to say fanciful ... : Shock:


No, no collusion ... just the adaptation of packages to the "lifespan" of the batteries ...


Ah ok it's different indeed ...

I wonder if 2 years is not rather a psychological threshold ... even legal ... or legally acceptable.

I mean if they could, or if they could, because the no commitment tends to replace the commitment, we put it 3 or 4 years they would have done it ...

But hey we can not not assume that it is also related to the durability of batteries.
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