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by dedeleco » 26/11/10, 02:10

Yes, instead of 2 packets of 500 pages of books on the internet, I read on the monitor and I write 1 page max !!
True !
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by dedeleco » 26/11/10, 02:14

In 6 months I only printed IDTGV tickets in black !!

Laugh, but it's true !!!
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by Obamot » 26/11/10, 06:37

... tssss! I'm not kidding, I think it's great. I did the same! Laser or not, it's been more than 6 months since my color is on a shelf in the library ... Unplugged! : Cheesy: So I beat you, huh? : Cheesy:

It was just to say that by dint of taking people for these c .... hupa chups it ended up turning against them! Image
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by Obamot » 18/12/10, 11:24

To summarize, I made an anthology of the various common types of situation which could prevent the use of coveted equipment (non-exhaustive list, alas.) If that can help some to avoid falling into some traps during 'a purchase...

Different types of planned obsolescence

Indirect obsolescence
Some fully functional products can no longer be used due to lack of maintenance or supply (example: abandonment of specific chemicals for old copyproof processors. Unavailability of spare parts for repair, etc.).
Insidious aspect: they become obsolete due to the fact that the essential associated products are not or no longer available on the market.

Obsolescence by notification
It consists of designing a product so that it can signal to the user that it is necessary to repair or replace, in whole or in part, the device (eg: "check engine" messages which prevent certain cars to start up due to minor technical problems. Printers which issue fault messages and block the operation of the device, for example due to a temperature probe issue, which may require the replacement of the "image block" while only the thermostat would be HS, but that the message does not allow the consumer to know it, etc).
Insidious aspect: forced expiration residing in the interaction between two products.

Obsolescence due to incompatibility / s
Mainly observed in the IT sector, it is also called downward incompatibility (examples: new version of software that does not run with the old operating system, change of interface which requires the purchase of new licenses that had already paid, printer driver not supported for no reason in new OS versions, etc.)
Insidious aspect: this technique aims to make a product useless by the fact that it is no longer compatible with later versions.

Aesthetic obsolescence
Subjective obsolescence such as fashion.
Insidious aspect: often leads de facto, on other forms of obsolescence since "Out of fashion", an update is no longer offered.

Products "pushed to obsolescence"
For example in mobile telephony where we go from aesthetic obsolescence to obsolescence due to incompatibility. This leads, for example, to no longer update internal firmware (since "Out of fashion") and ended up making obsolete phones obsolete. Or new models whose data synchronization (notes, calendar, contacts) is no longer ensured with old operating systems. So you take a new subscription contract with a new smartphone, and you realize that you have to change your computer to be able to use it.
Insidious aspect: A product which had no sign of obsolescence on purchase, is pushed to be it according to different tactics, even combination of obsolescence.

Obsolescence by denial of service or performance
The device refuses to operate again, if it has not been reset or if a commissioning code has not been entered (example common in the automotive industry, or a manufacturer's code given on same day of putting back into service, to prevent repair work outside the dealer network, making it impossible to purchase and replace the part acquired in a breakage, since the automobile will refuse to restart ...)
Or the device refuses to perform a service after a given duration, by order received from the internal clock, without anyone being able to troubleshoot, since an order is given to position the device on a kind of position "OFF", unbeknownst to the user's own free will (used for example by companies which receive specifications imposing a maximum operating time on them => ie the maximum 20 hours of LCD TV screens or 000 years of use at a rate of ~ 10 hours per day). Or the batteries which do not offer very quickly the performance expected at the time of purchase and written on the battery box (impossible to verify, since it depends on the meticulousness of use, etc.)
Insidious aspect: very difficult, or even impossible to detect if you are not previously informed of the practices and / or you do not have the access codes for restarting.

Outdated obsolescence (in principle intended for user safety)
Some products have an expiration date from which they are advertised as "expired".
Insidious aspect: except for food products, the safety prerequisite can be diverted according to one of the diagram above.

Doubting the legality of these “commercial strategies based on product deception”, when will new laws that will allow the purchase guarantee of “hassle-free” products?
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by Flytox » 18/12/10, 11:49

Good synthesis !!! 8)

Just a complement:

Indirect obsolescence
Some fully functional products can no longer be used due to lack of maintenance or supply (example: abandonment of specific chemicals for old copyproof processors. Unavailability of spare parts for repair, etc.).
Insidious aspect: they become obsolete due to the fact that the essential associated products are not or no longer available on the market. [/ Quote]

There is also included in it, the obsolescence by the price of the spare part quite available but .... which is 2/3 of the price of the new set. So we "obsolete" the expensive repairable for new.

To combat these system aberrations, a 50% VAT type system would be required for this type of product.
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by Obamot » 18/12/10, 12:12

Absolutely, if you allow me, I will update the list regularly, as and when required, but the example you give is fundamental! And it would be good to debate and give examples (certainly common and easy to find).

"Indirect"? Not sure if it is the same category, because there, the product is no longer functional.

Since this is a kind of "Product made virtually obsolete" it could almost be classified as "De facto obsolescence", no? Or in the category "Product pushed to obsolescence"...

However, given the large proportion of known cases, we could categorize this squarely in a separate category. For example:
"Obsolescence by an increase in operating cost / s"
Maintenance made obsolete by prohibitive operating costs.

Now, let's be honest, there are still cases where a technological evolution leads to a kind of"Historical obsolescence" of equipment. And there we can no longer speak of"Planned obsolescence", on the other hand, no longer making the interface accessible / possible, nor ensuring downward compatibility, or refusing to supply parts at an affordable price: it is! It also depends on the price of the new equipment and especially on its lifespan ... compared to the old generation!

All this is not obvious, and it would be necessary to legislate, because it is also the pressure of competition which establishes these practices (ie "if the other does it, I have to do it otherwise my box sinks")

In summary one cannot condemn ex abrupto as obsolete, any equipment which is not hindered in its use, by a provision (more / too) restrictive and / or unforeseen compared to that which prevailed at the time of the purchase.
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by dedeleco » 18/12/10, 16:32

in this topic:
small memory of basic obsolescence by gigantic progress useful!
The very expensive IBM computers with punched cards from the 60s to the end of the 70s !!
If you are a student, this silver necklace is absolutely your first choice. The silver color will show your vitality and your youth. forget a parenthesis on a punch card, I remember that it was necessary wait at least a day or even two, (we were queuing on the centralized computer) to find out this oversight and correct it typing new punch cards in a deafening din !! !!

And no graphics possible !!
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by Obamot » 03/06/11, 13:07

Way out of it despite the planned obsolescence:

http://www.commentreparer.com/

If you find others, please post them in the thread below!

If you want to share your own tips / procedures, it's here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/remplacer- ... 10308.html
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