Ifixit: can't you fix it? You don't own it!

[dedeleco]

The laser printer toner is not worth 100 times less than that of the cartridge as for ink jets !!

[Forhorse]

Average HP inkjet cartridge price: € 30, capacity 600 pages, or € 0.05 per page
Average price of an HP toner cartridge: € 90, capacity 6000 pages, or € 0.015 per page

It's 30% cheaper, and unlike ink cartridges that dry, get clogged, and leak, a toner cartridge can be used for years to come.
On my printers my toner cartridges last about 3 years. I have never kept an inkjet cartridge for so long in a printer, very often after 6 months, or even 1 year with luck, the cartridge is either dry, or poured, or the nozzles are blocked. If you print very very little, you are forced to throw a cartridge half full, and paf € 30 in the teeth.

Now, and to make the parallel with the Windows Vs. Linux debate, if you continue to buy devices with which you are scammed, it is ultimately that it suits you and meets your needs, why the manufacturers would change policy?

It is true that there is a price difference between an inkjet and a laser. Now a small inkjet costs almost nothing, so much so that when the cartridges are empty, it is often cheaper to simply change the printer rather than changing the cartridges.
I made my choice, for 7 years that I went to the laser, I do not regret it. I am only having my second printer, and still not because the first was rubbish, but simply because I wanted a color.
On my first laser (which is therefore 7 years old) I changed the toner cartridge only once, and today if I want to print with it, I take it out of the box, I plug it in and it works like in the first day.
So try doing this with an inkjet to see

[Obamot]

It is not false. Only with toner cartridges from HP (for example the LaserJet 2605dn PS) there is another scam: when you print text, it also uses color cartridges without your knowledge!

And no way to ask him to print only with black alone. Result, your color cartridges are exhausted at high speed "V".

This is very strong because you are deprived of the possibility of doing something "usual".

And I say scam, because the guys from the hotline at HP, are funny to encourage you to drop your old b / w by explaining to you that you'd better do it! When I told them that the doc didn't mention that, it was radio silence. So I had to keep my old black / white PS laser, as long as they work!

[Forhorse]

I took the example from HP because we were talking about an HP printer. But fortunately there are other brands.
Mine are Samsung. I don't know if there is this scam of using color cartridges when printing in B&W
Anyway my old B&W still works, and I know how to refill the cartridge if necessary (and there is no chip or other device that prevents this manipulation)

[Obamot]

Hey, hey! We protect ourselves ... Once again if you admit that it had to be done, it is because you are implicitly aware of this type of scam and that you are doing what it takes not to "fall into the trap". So how else can you defend this system, because this is a treacherous drift of which a person like you is also a victim.

Today I downloaded Adobe Reader X, because a site demanded the installation of this software deemed to ensure portability from one platform to another and that you cited as an example above (ie the format. PDF).

Nothing to do, it does not install and requires a system update! It is the first time that this happens under OSX !!!

After Adobe Creative Suite, it is therefore the new edition version of .pdf which no longer ensures backward compatibility under Unix !!! And that, whatever one may say: it is serious, because there was absolutely no need to get there. And the fact of having changed processor is not an excuse question portability of the format in itself. Because it simply means that with the new version, the software induces changes that are impossible to read in the previous versions. It is therefore not a question of processor but a voluntary strategy.

Finally that Adobe remains what it was or that it was bought by Microsoft would not have changed much! The result cannot be worse.

[chatelot16]

attention with acrobat reader: on the old pc windows98 where i write at the moment each time i open a new pdf it puts me a message asking me to update acrobat otherwise the pdf may not be read correctly. .. and I always answer no I never do this update, and the pdf is still read correctly

sometimes I transfer to a computer up to date to see the difference: I don't see any

acrobat reader is not essential ... there is another free reader ... but strangely the definition of the image is often a little bit worse than the real acrobat (even the old one never updated) .. another trap to understand ...

[Obamot]

...highly possible! It all depends on how carefully the one who saved his file extended his read compatibility!



As you see above, with the editor of V.8.0 you can no longer save in Acrobat® V.3.0 ... So you will have to expect to no longer be able to open a file. ..sooner or later...

By the way Adobe neither believe anymore themselves, since their file "Read me" is .... html



Unbelievable!

[dedeleco]

Obamot notes:

when you print text, it also uses the color cartridges without your knowledge

it is not reserved for HP laser, the MP610 inkjet color guns print in B / W if you choose gray with plain paper, but if you choose any other less ordinary paper for gray everything is printed in colors even the black text, which unknowingly empties your 3x2 color cartridges = 6 times more expensive at high speed !!
No information is given in the notice !!!

Result, I print 1000 times less than if these printers were
honest !!

[dedeleco]

Small detail:
Forhorse calculates;

Average HP inkjet cartridge price: € 30, capacity 600 pages, or € 0.05 per page
Average price of an HP toner cartridge: € 90, capacity 6000 pages, or € 0.015 per page
It's 30% cheaper,

only 5 / 1.5 =333% factor 3
if the 6000 pages are exact with the same black rate, which for ink jets is often wrong !!

Finally, given that for less than 30 € we have 1 liter of ink of any color in the bottle, refilling the inkjet cartridge divides the price by 50 easily, negligible compared to paper at 3 € for 500 pages or 0,006 € per page 8 times cheaper than HP ink.
!! !!!
The less expensive ink jets are with an ink 10 times more expensive and more if not separated cartridges at very low volume, one more scam !!

Is there an inkjet printer on sale currently without chip protection and other cow, free to refill the cartridges ???
The canon MP610 seems to me one of the last leaving a little free, but become untraceable !!.

[Obamot]

Result, I print 1000 times less than if these printers were honest !!

Mmmmmwouahahahah — mdr — collapsed — on the ground — under — the — table

PS: inkjets I knew, but it's a little different. In offset printing, this is also done by printing a "support blue" to densify certain areas. The next time I go to Asia, I'll bring you "kits" to reset printer cartridges (over there, they are always one step ahead: "question of culture" ... the customer there is still King)