Some links on the ecological impact of energy saving light bulbs:
https://www.econologie.com/etude-sur-l-i ... -2453.html
https://www.econologie.com/ampoules-fluo ... -1583.html
https://www.econologie.com/calcul-du-ret ... -3659.html
fluorescent bulbs, a financial profit of 466 21% in month *!
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first of all I am sorry for the tone, it was not at all my intention.
First how to believe that the price is related to energy when you can manufacture everything in China at 100th of the price and you cannot compare the energy produced by coal or by hydrology or even nuclear.
Secondly, how to believe an AD in German (which I do not understand) this is certainly not where I will go for REAL information.
Think for a moment, I am not saying that this information is true or false, I am just saying that we cannot believe the owner of a product, he will always take the figures that interests him (100% of the winners have tried their luck or don't worry the radioactive cloud has not crossed borders)
Do you really think that in their CO2 balance they took into account the manufacturing energy (which in the price is almost zero since made in China I imagine)
Thirdly
You say that the price represents a CO2 equivalent. How many intermediaries do you think there are before arriving at the stores when we see the number of components?
Do you think that the more intermediaries there are, the more room there is?
BALANCE SHEET:
You are all talking about saving money while I am talking about saving CO2.
- I prefer to pay for a bulb that will not have released a lot of CO2 during its manufacture.
- Who will not manufacture it either during its consumption (because it draws its energy from hydrology or nuclear), in addition will lower my heating consumption in winter (for those who heat themselves with fuel oil, that will further increase the CO2 saving)
- Which is then easily recyclable.
MORE LOGICAL THAN THERE IS NOT !!!!!
and no I don't work in an incandescent bulb factory
but maybe I am on the shareholder site of compact fluorescent !!!
First how to believe that the price is related to energy when you can manufacture everything in China at 100th of the price and you cannot compare the energy produced by coal or by hydrology or even nuclear.
Secondly, how to believe an AD in German (which I do not understand) this is certainly not where I will go for REAL information.
Think for a moment, I am not saying that this information is true or false, I am just saying that we cannot believe the owner of a product, he will always take the figures that interests him (100% of the winners have tried their luck or don't worry the radioactive cloud has not crossed borders)
Do you really think that in their CO2 balance they took into account the manufacturing energy (which in the price is almost zero since made in China I imagine)
Thirdly
You say that the price represents a CO2 equivalent. How many intermediaries do you think there are before arriving at the stores when we see the number of components?
Do you think that the more intermediaries there are, the more room there is?
BALANCE SHEET:
You are all talking about saving money while I am talking about saving CO2.
- I prefer to pay for a bulb that will not have released a lot of CO2 during its manufacture.
- Who will not manufacture it either during its consumption (because it draws its energy from hydrology or nuclear), in addition will lower my heating consumption in winter (for those who heat themselves with fuel oil, that will further increase the CO2 saving)
- Which is then easily recyclable.
MORE LOGICAL THAN THERE IS NOT !!!!!
and no I don't work in an incandescent bulb factory
but maybe I am on the shareholder site of compact fluorescent !!!
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dalmasxx wrote:First how to believe that the price is related to energy when you can manufacture everything in China at 100th of the price and you cannot compare the energy produced by coal or by hydrology or even nuclear.
At 1/100 the price? This remark shows that you do not know much about trade ... There are only oil companies that make such a margin (and again ...)
dalmasxx wrote:Secondly, how to believe an ADVERTISEMENT in German (which I do not understand) this is certainly not where I will go for REAL information.
I generally have more confidence in technical information from Germans than French ... Again, your remark betrays a lack of knowledge of the field ...
You can very well redo the calculations yourself if you don't believe.
To help you, here is a "simulator" file where you just have to enter your numbers: https://www.econologie.com/calcul-du-ret ... -3659.html
dalmasxx wrote:Do you really think that in their CO2 balance they took into account the manufacturing energy (which in the price is almost zero since made in China I imagine)
You imagine very badly ... and spread false ideas ...
Imagine that 100% of the sale price = gray energy
It's coming?
dalmasxx wrote:Thirdly
You say that the price represents a CO2 equivalent. How many intermediaries do you think there are before arriving at the stores when we see the number of components?
Do you think that the more intermediaries there are, the more room there is?
???? You mix everything ... this is the case for ALL products ... including classic bulbs ...
dalmasxx wrote:BALANCE SHEET:
You are all talking about saving money while I am talking about saving CO2.
- I prefer to pay for a bulb that will not have released a lot of CO2 during its manufacture.
- Who will not manufacture it either during its consumption (because it draws its energy from hydrology or nuclear), in addition will lower my heating consumption in winter (for those who heat themselves with fuel oil, that will further increase the CO2 saving)
- Which is then easily recyclable.
MORE LOGICAL THAN THERE IS NOT !!!!!
FALSE than it is ... since money can be converted into CO2 ...When a conventional bulb costs you 600% the cost of a compact fluorescent bulb in the end is that it is largely profitable on LE CO2 too ...
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THEN IT IS PURE AND HARD PROPAGANDA !!!!
Just ask yourself:
When does an incandescent light bulb produce CO2?
during manufacturing: certainly less than a compact fluorescent, because it only has a little aluminum, and glass against plastic, electronic components, gas, mercury and more for compact fluorescent
for consumption: not if energy made from nuclear or hydro as in France or Quebec
recycling: certainly less than a compact fluorescent and in addition does not reject heavy metals
So the CO2 balance goes on which bulb ?????
Perhaps your calculations make you pay more, but it is precisely to protect OUR EARTH.
Just ask yourself:
When does an incandescent light bulb produce CO2?
during manufacturing: certainly less than a compact fluorescent, because it only has a little aluminum, and glass against plastic, electronic components, gas, mercury and more for compact fluorescent
for consumption: not if energy made from nuclear or hydro as in France or Quebec
recycling: certainly less than a compact fluorescent and in addition does not reject heavy metals
So the CO2 balance goes on which bulb ?????
Perhaps your calculations make you pay more, but it is precisely to protect OUR EARTH.
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I give up you do not read what we give you as info ... it's rather your corrupt and inaccurate speech that looks like propaganda ...
Then, CO2 is not the ONLY environmental problem ... stop with your propaganda ... Are you a nuclear pro ???
Buy a dictionary to understand this image:
Then, CO2 is not the ONLY environmental problem ... stop with your propaganda ... Are you a nuclear pro ???
Buy a dictionary to understand this image:
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It's like the difference between organic and industrial vegetables.
Organic will be more expensive but will be healthier and will have less CO2
While the industrial vegetables that are produced in greenhouses, with all the chemicals, will be served to you all year round.
Like what it's worth the cost of paying for something more expensive !!!!!!!!!!!!
THINK ABOUT YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!
Organic will be more expensive but will be healthier and will have less CO2
While the industrial vegetables that are produced in greenhouses, with all the chemicals, will be served to you all year round.
Like what it's worth the cost of paying for something more expensive !!!!!!!!!!!!
THINK ABOUT YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yeah, are you sure about the ORGANIC? Once again you mix everything and take CO2 as the ONLY environmental problem.
ORGANIC and CO2 DO NOT FORCE GOOD HOUSEHOLD ...
Concrete example: the other day I saw ORGANIC peppers imported from Morocco ... Sorry, I prefer to buy NOT ORGANIC vegetables at the local AMAP than to buy ORGANIC which has covered 3000km ...
ORGANIC and CO2 DO NOT FORCE GOOD HOUSEHOLD ...
Concrete example: the other day I saw ORGANIC peppers imported from Morocco ... Sorry, I prefer to buy NOT ORGANIC vegetables at the local AMAP than to buy ORGANIC which has covered 3000km ...
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Bla Bla Bla Bla !!!!
Words, sentences thrown pell-mell without any personal reflection.
I try to argue but you only know how to rebuff my arguments without giving relevant elements.
At least you comfort me in MY thinking.
Why at the beginning you spoke of CO2 then suddenly when you run out of arguments you say "CO2 is not the ONLY environmental problem" !!!
Of course, there is also the management of heavy metals such as mercury in compact fluorescent !!
And in the title of the blog : Are you afraid of the exhaustion of fossil fuels? ===> CO2 production
Are you worried about global warming? ===> CO2 production
BEN NO IT'S NOT ONLY CO2, but it's a good conversion of the state of our planet
THINK ABOUT YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!
Words, sentences thrown pell-mell without any personal reflection.
I try to argue but you only know how to rebuff my arguments without giving relevant elements.
At least you comfort me in MY thinking.
Why at the beginning you spoke of CO2 then suddenly when you run out of arguments you say "CO2 is not the ONLY environmental problem" !!!
Of course, there is also the management of heavy metals such as mercury in compact fluorescent !!
And in the title of the blog : Are you afraid of the exhaustion of fossil fuels? ===> CO2 production
Are you worried about global warming? ===> CO2 production
BEN NO IT'S NOT ONLY CO2, but it's a good conversion of the state of our planet
THINK ABOUT YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!
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Hello programs!
Except for France, most countries produce their electricity with a good share of fossil fuels
In addition, future thermal regulations will simply prohibit direct resistance heating (convectors, hot water tanks), as well as halogen and incandescent bulbs, in order to limit the power of our power plants and their impact on our environment. , nothing to polish our portfolios ...
The calculation is already done
the texts are on the way
Long live direct light (this is not a psalm )
Except for France, most countries produce their electricity with a good share of fossil fuels
In addition, future thermal regulations will simply prohibit direct resistance heating (convectors, hot water tanks), as well as halogen and incandescent bulbs, in order to limit the power of our power plants and their impact on our environment. , nothing to polish our portfolios ...
The calculation is already done
the texts are on the way
Long live direct light (this is not a psalm )
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OUCH, OUILLE, OUCH, AAHH! ^ _ ^
OUCH, OUILLE, OUCH, AAHH! ^ _ ^
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I prefer to buy organic cultivated 2 km from my home ...Christophe wrote:Oh yeah, are you sure about the ORGANIC? Once again you mix everything and take CO2 as the ONLY environmental problem.
ORGANIC and CO2 do not GOOD HOUSEHOLD ...
Concrete example: the other day I saw ORGANIC peppers imported from Morocco ... Sorry, I prefer to buy NOT ORGANIC vegetables at the local AMAP than to buy ORGANIC which has covered 3000km ...
For CO2 and Bio, the culture in organic produces less CO2, it is inevitable. The rest is commercial, not production.
PS: a pepper has nothing to do on our plate at the moment: it's not yet time!
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