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by Capt_Maloche » 21/10/09, 10:24

citro wrote:My beautiful parents live next to the Kimo factory ... A sacred box that produces sacred stuff. They are growing.
We refuse nothing ... :D


Sure it's beautiful material :D

citro wrote:I did a quick calculation table corner ...
Compared to all or nothing reversible € 250 purchased by my brother frêre 4 years ago (COP2.5), this version less than € 600 pays for itself in less than 2 years ...
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Now what would interest me would be to know your total kWh thermal generation over a year and your consumption kWh electric ...
'Cause you're not going to have a COP of 5 in freezing temperatures ...


I should monetize the thing in less than a year, providing cost me around 900L price of oil, I decided to buy it than to complete the full of my tank

I measure my years since 2 fuel oil consos
I will add grace to PM230 consos of the air conditioning and heating mode and compare and verify the return on investment

You know, for negative temperatures, in fact it is a relatively short time a year

I who come to invest in a gas condensing boiler ... I wonder if your choice is not cheaper than gas ... The kWh of gas was € 7 2008 percent but it blazed in 2009 (the price of subscription doubled : Evil: ).

I made my calculation, at energy cost is no concurrency, except perhaps wood (4fois cheaper than fuel oil)
It is also without concurrency on the purchase price
But gas is not too badly placed 157 0.0489 € subscription and € by kw.h

With the split inverter and an average COP of 4 say the Kw.h cost me 0.10 / 4 0.025 = € / night without Kw.h price, I have not changed my subscription EDF.
(The gas you have a subscription and more) in which amounts to around an annual consumption of 10 000KW.h to 157 / 10 000 1.57 = cent of € 0.0489 or more 0.0157 + = 0.0646 € / Kw.h which it must add the efficiency of the plant

and comparisons around € 0.08 / Kw.h for oil with an average yield

Christophe wrote: Operating 24h on how many days? When I met 1 able pm I always put a post it close with the start time and date measurements.

I charge a monthly statement

I see mostly hit Bouchou brass hung left!
This is an emergency? : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: Ah unless this is a nutcracker ??? : Mrgreen:

Nah, it's a rustic pulls plug polished wood, which can indeed serve nutcracker and crushed fingers : Cheesy:

Ah I saw it more "open" from what you were saying ... the inverter has an "effect" in the kitchen for example and on the 1st floor? Well, you will tell me it's extra ... obviously!


Say it is centrally placed:
1 3 stay radiator based on
Kitchen and toilet (not pictured) radiator according
Office, hall and bedroom on the ground floor closed radiators
1 bathroom upstairs radiator according
3 rooms upstairs closed radiators (thermostat set at 18 ° C in case, good temp for sleeping)
Apartment DRC closed down all radiators, unheated garage, unheated porch.

With that, I only have 25% of the radiators in operation
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by Capt_Maloche » 21/10/09, 12:18

Resumption of the subject for the installation of a reversible air conditioning here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post145101.html#145101
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by Christine » 21/10/09, 13:14

Thank you Cap'tain
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by emmman » 21/10/09, 15:05

Hello,

I ordered and received my PM230 and I notice that it measures 18,8w on every plug of my apartment, without any device plugged on it?!?

Is this normal?

In addition I look everywhere on this forum and on the internet in general and I have the impression that no one has thought of measuring "empty" without anything plugged in, to see ... Because suddenly all the thoughts of the kind "my PC consumes 18w even off! !! When I unplug the plug from the wall it's 0w !!! " would be false ..............

I even wonder if I should not subtract -18,8w from each of my measurements to have something correct?


Edition: Continuation of my big doubts on the capacity of the device to measure the watches:

On a plug, I have the PM230. On the PM230 I have a plug-in power strip.

Config 1: PC + screen connected, screen off and PC off but switches ON in both cases. Conso 39 W

Config 2: Same devices + one video projector in standby. Conso 11 W.

?????? Consos appliances standby seem totally fanciful ... I do not see what can be deduced from these measures!
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by Capt_Maloche » 21/10/09, 17:10

Makes an empty reset, on the front of the device, there is an oddity there

personally, I have not plugged in empty, but when my air conditioning is in standby, it shows me 4.5W, which is consistent

I will try to see "empty", and I will make a comparative measurement of intensity with my ammeter
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by emmman » 21/10/09, 17:17

Already made several reset ... removed the batteries ... I always have the same measures!

For the consos of my induction plate 1820 to 240 degrees, 1460 to 160 degrees and 1080 to 120 degrees it's consistent ...

For the PC lit idle to 105, in burn to 135 it is coherent also ...

For 24 LCD screen to 51 it is always consistent ...

So it's really for the low consos that it says anything ...
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by emmman » 21/10/09, 17:27

Induction Plate Standby: 8w, Vacuum Plug 18,8w, Induction Plate with Internal Fan On for Cooling After Use: 6w ...
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by Christophe » 21/10/09, 20:16

emmman wrote:I ordered and received my PM230 and I notice that it measures 18,8w on every plug of my apartment, without any device plugged on it?!?

Is this normal?


No it's not normal so:

a) try with a friend if it improves or not (there may be a disturbance in your electrical network)

b) if it is the same elsewhere, it is because there is a defect of "zero" in the PM; It happens, we will exchange it for you, contact us on the After-Sales page: https://www.econologie.com/shop/contactez-nous.html

Specifying your order number.

emmman wrote:In addition I look everywhere on this forum and on the internet in general and I have the impression that no one has thought of measuring "empty" without anything plugged in, to see ... Because suddenly all the thoughts of the kind "my PC consumes 18w even off! !! When I unplug the plug from the wall it's 0w !!! " would be false ..............


Vacuum is 0.0W I reassure you ...
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by emmman » 21/10/09, 20:48

I'll try somebody else tomorrow, and I'll let you know :)

Very old building, counter edf to disk, year on the counter: 1960 ...


Otherwise I do not doubt that this soirt 0,0 W, but I doubt the blow that a connected PC turned off consumes 18,8 ... since plugged or not it displays 18,8 so it may be 0 in both cases!
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by Capt_Maloche » 21/10/09, 21:24

in any case, I checked mine, empty it displays 0.00

so
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