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by gegyx » 07/11/08, 10:50

I paid attention to the idea ofAhmed compost small animals, which disappear completely.

Is there a special technique? Because with the bodies in the earth, the bones remain there for a while…

In common graves we put quicklime to accelerate, and especially to avoid contagion.

If it is ordinary composting, maybe it should be mixed with other materials that complement each other?

Because for garden composts, the recommendations are not to put fat or meat products…

If the technique is good, one can only think that, cutting into macedonia, or chopping the bodies, can only speed up the process ...

For the mourning, or the memory, we can plant an orchid in the humus, and distribute it…

It is more violent but comparable to the ashes of cremation, which we do what we want later.
(except spread it in a public place. But not often respected. This is done discreetly sparingly, since it is only ash. The ban is made to avoid large deposits in public places that have no this function)
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by Christophe » 07/11/08, 10:54

Well I think the bones are disappearing because they are dispersed by various carnivores!

I never found in the compost a single bone of the chicken that I had put in our compost: magpies and other crows do it!

By cons I found a few meters from the compost bin ... : Mrgreen:
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by Gregconstruct » 07/11/08, 12:31

Christophe wrote:By cons I found a few meters from the compost bin ... : Mrgreen:


Same with me!
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by bamboo » 07/11/08, 17:26

Gregconstruct wrote:It is surprising that this cryogenic method reduces body weight to a third of the original weight!

Unless he loses all his water!?! :|


I agree with this.
They only talk about organic matter.
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by Ahmed » 07/11/08, 18:30

Gegyx:
"Is there a special technique?"

It consisted of composting pine bark (mainly), crushed and then composted in heaps, with a significant rise in temperature. Other than that, nothing special; however, this is not comparable to household compost, which is made little by little, as and when it is added.
As I said before, the acid phase is responsible for the loss of bones and feathers / hair. Unless, for the latter intervene the epigee worms?
Anyway, I never found any trace of the remains in or around the heaps.
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by gegyx » 07/11/08, 21:58

Okay, well thank you for the clarification.

Pine bark, you need a pine forest.

Anyway, this confirms the expression:

"It smells like a tree ..."

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by Lietseu » 08/11/08, 01:29

This is a subject that attracts many comments!
Pine bark probably gives off acids ... We have known for several years that coniferous plantations acidify the soil and the rivers that cross them ...

For small bones, I am not frankly surprised that they have disappeared completely, especially in an acid compost.

Some Hindus "get rid" of their dead by giving them as an offering ... to scavengers ... vultures I believe.


It is not Hindus who do that! It was the Tibetans who did that! And by dissecting the dead before, which was beneficial to the doctor Lama.
Indeed at altitude, there are no trees and anyway the fires burn very badly at 5000m altitude (I tried we can not do a wood fire, unless you blow continuously on it !) ... The fuel most used by the Tibetans being the dung of yak, I do not see them incinerating the bodies with, while the living in desperately need it to heat and make the tsampa * ... In other words, stay alive!

Zoroastrianism, also called Mazdism, is a monotheistic religion of which Ahura Mazda is the God, which in clear means that there are no Indians but many Parsi (ancient Persian persecuted by Muslims in the 8th century, refugee in India, in the region of Saurâshtra in Gujarat) follower of parsism religion derived from Zoroastrianism!
The Pârsî venerate the fire called Agni by the Hindus, the towers of which you speak to us is called dakhma and one does not use fire because it arises from the hand of men and therefore is impure. They were also persecuted in India although in a much less violent way (endogamy and probably responsible for their disappearance) if I remember correctly there are still some left in the Bombay region… (Where I stayed for two months) .

According to a purchase test study concerning the funeral, the price distribution is as follows,
the average price for Belgium is € 3446 for a complete funeral, € 4000 in Flanders and € 2827 in Wallonia (source test purchases number 525 from November 2008)


When it comes to cleaning the skeleton of an animal you love, the most effective and ecological solution than placing it near a large anthill in an openwork synthetic fabric (mosquito net type) the ants clean the corpse completely and leaves only the bones!


* (national meal, composed of grilled barley flour mixed with dri butter tea and no yak (because the yak is the male) ... : Mrgreen:


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by Gregconstruct » 08/11/08, 08:48

Lietseu wrote:Clearly this means that there are no Indians but many Pârsî (ancient Persian persecuted by Muslims in the 8th century, refugee in India, in the region of Saurâshtra in Gujarat)


If Pârsî has been persecuted by Muslims, it is because he was there ...
Pârsî over there ... Image

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by Ahmed » 08/11/08, 11:28

Lietseu wrote:
"Pine bark probably gives off acids ... We have already known for several years that conifer plantations acidify the soil and the rivers that cross them ..."

Composting should not be confused with what happens at ground level in coniferous stands.

It should not be forgotten that composting does not exist naturally. What is the cause of bone loss is the existence of an acid phase during composting, not a substrate ultimately acid; in fact, the result was neutral soil with good physical characteristics.
In the forests, it is especially the deposits of needles which tend to acidify the ground, still it is necessary to qualify: this is not the case of Douglas-fir, very widespread resinous, and it is the case of certain hardwoods, like beech.
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by Lietseu » 08/11/08, 11:57

And in addition he loves trees! And he knows the forest :D

I'm thinking, skype me, let's talk!

How much spring has passed since the release of your poor and adorable mother?



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