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by Christophe » 03/02/07, 10:36

Kidooo wrote:Another thing: Did you know that the furniture kits of a very large Swedish brand widely distributed are eco-friendly ??? : Shock:
Yes Yes ! You mount them yourself, and very quickly, they self-destruct! : Lol: : Cheesy: : Mrgreen: :P


We agree but beware of the irony on the internet ... it is often misunderstood ... I have done a few times the expenses :(
A small link to support your story:
https://www.econologie.info/index.php?20 ... ete-en-kit
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by Kidooo » 09/02/07, 03:36

Thank you Christophe for this informative link.

It's totally true. I had seen, a while ago, a report on the designers who work for them. In freelance (subcontractors) of course, it costs less and if you want to work for Ikea, we will have to adapt:
- Use of minimum quantity of materials
- Use of the cheapest materials (produced by small hands at the other end of the world?)
- manufacturing thought to be ultra-simple to achieve (solidity is far from being the priority)
- limitation of the creativity of designers to stay in the "trendy" style ie as "stripped" as possible (that's good it cuts costs and it's trendy).

In short ... It's not new ... Competitiveness at a cost:
Providing oneself at the lowest prices by working in the Third World implies incessant and disastrous road, sea transport and the environment, not to mention the human cost. De - en - of local employees, a maximum of subcontractor designators who are pushed to the extreme competition between them in order to lower their rates. Formatted products that self-destruct and need to be renewed often ...

Grrr ... I remember their latest pub that I find scandalous: remember ... A death on the top floor of a building, neighbors and help on the stairs ... then we discover that the death is nothing but a lamp (which seems to be too old) and is deposited ... on the sidewalk! It was necessary to change it for sure! This ideology of overconsumption they try to pass revolt me! : Evil:

That's it ... I calm down ...

Finally, two little quotes I love Charb:
- "Sorting the waste, that's not what will prevent manufacturers from imposing useless crap on us which will end up in the trash"
- "Being a citizen is not knowing how to sort waste, it is avoiding buying it."


EDIT: uh ... my "waste" them, are for sale. : Cheesy:
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by elephant » 09/02/07, 08:44

It must be said that the Chinese (among others) take advantage of their slave wages to flood us with cheap products.

these products arrive in stores at a quarter or a third of the price

in fact, most of the price is transportation, importer's profit, retailer profit and taxes (VAT + import duties)

material and manpower may represent 1 / 10 e of the final price.

if they realized that a good workmanship and a little more material would still make their products salable at home, and even more desirable, they would make just as much profit but would relieve a famous blow our dumps!
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by Targol » 09/02/07, 10:20

I really appreciate the basic idea. Reuse rather than recycling.
I love the results. The ideas are original and offbeat and the finish (in view of the photos) seems to me neat.
I like this way you have to divert objects by sometimes using very "technical" pieces that you extract from their context to only be interested in the form (the "Mushvroom Lamp" for example).

I also admit to bath / sofa. We had to dare but the result is very nice.

Continue like this. One day, I might spend time seeing you from the Bordeaux region : Mrgreen:
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by Kidooo » 09/02/07, 14:49

elephant wrote:... if they realized that a tidy workforce and a little more material would still make their products salable at home, and even more desirable, they would make just as much profit but would relieve a famous blow our landfills !


Globalization has this perverse effect: Products at unbeatable prices accessible to as many people as possible. It's good. But what are the counterparts?
- The proliferation of polluting transports.
- The multiplication of objects of poor quality that do not last and that will pile up in our unloads.
- The relocation of our companies and the unemployment that implies.
- ... I certainly forget ...

As a result, the poorest among us can afford products that were inaccessible to them before, but ... with what money will they pay for them in the future when they are unemployed? This is a demagogic speech will say some. Others will argue that they have to retrain ... but in what kind of jobs? Sort the waste in our landfills?

Targol wrote:I really appreciate the basic idea. Reuse rather than recycling.
I love the results. The ideas are original and offbeat and the finish (in view of the photos) seems to me neat.
I like this way you have to divert objects by sometimes using very "technical" pieces that you extract from their context to only be interested in the form (the "Mushvroom Lamp" for example).

I also admit to bath / sofa. We had to dare but the result is very nice.

Continue like this. One day, I might spend time seeing you from the Bordeaux region : Mrgreen:


Thank you very much Targol. :P It's nice to be encouraged to continue (I sometimes have the lone rebreather blues). The misappropriation of an object brims with a reputation "quick, bad". However, I am trying to show that with a little imagination, we can manufacture luxury with the increasingly numerous rejects of our overconsumption society. The "offbeat" side brings a touch of humor that I particularly like and which, for me, is worth all the green talk.
Thanks again to you. Do not hesitate to visit me in my workshop-garage in Toulouse. (It will be necessary to sneak into the reclaimed jungle lining the walls and ceiling : Mrgreen: My email address is on my blog).
Yours. : Wink:
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by bham » 09/02/07, 19:05

Kidooo wrote:
The misappropriation of an object brims with a reputation "quickly done, badly done".

And also a reputation as a scrapper / collector limit ladle / unhealthy. Sometimes I buy stuff at my scrap dealer to make objects but I am very far from having your talent. I appreciate so much, too, what you do. I find that an object, whether handcrafted or industrial, always has a soul, a story. To throw it away is to miss out on it, it is to sweep away the human energy of creation and fabrication that had to be developed.
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by Kidooo » 10/02/07, 01:21

Hi Bham.

Sometimes I go to the local scrap dealer myself. At first, I had scruples to provide me partly at home because I thought I had to get everything in the streets, bins ... But after reflection, the pieces obtained at home are also the material that is subtracted from recasting, sorting, fire or discharge. It is therefore energy spent less to redo the raw material or to destroy them completely. I have often seen huge piles of wood burn at home ... for nothing! It's ridding, he says.

The world of scrap metal at the beginning is impressive. We find people shady because they are closed enough at first but it is only a facade. They exercise a very hard and ungrateful job.

That's right, objects have a soul. I'm a fan of old 50's and 60's: Sensual curves, no right angles, noble materials and worked ... In short, nothing to do with what is done now.

Making beautiful things is not necessarily a question of talent. We just have to love what we do, why we do it and we always give the best of ourselves. Finally I think ... Finally I try ... Finally I ... : Lol:

NB: I am curious to see your objects from recovery.
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