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by C moa » 28/08/08, 09:38

Lietseu wrote:compacting the flakes of paper obtained after grinding to make logs ... It would probably be a lot less stupid than soaking the paper in water only to have to dry it afterwards (whatever I know that works) like the said C moa it's a famous chore!

I remember that in the lower classes we made paper balls with our saliva. Okay, then we threw them on our neighbors, pawns, teachers, scapegoats ....
But there may be an avenue to be explored with national education, don't you think? The dumplings should be a little bigger but the principle is there.

What ?? Did I say something stupid ?? : Shock:
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 14:43

C moa wrote:
Lietseu wrote:compacting the flakes of paper obtained after grinding to make logs ... It would probably be a lot less stupid than soaking the paper in water only to have to dry it afterwards (whatever I know that works) like the said C moa it's a famous chore!

I remember that in the lower classes we made paper balls with our saliva. Okay, then we threw them on our neighbors, pawns, teachers, scapegoats ....
But there may be an avenue to be explored with national education, don't you think? The dumplings should be a little bigger but the principle is there.

What ?? Did I say something stupid ?? : Shock:



Well, uh, the papier mache with white paper back then ... Maybe it still worked!
But I wouldn't risk it now.
With all the junk they add in ...
So you wanted information on paper recycling.


Is well there! The information relates to Belgium but I suppose you will be able to tell the difference and multiply by the number of inhabitants for France.


On average, each Belgian produces 531 kilos of waste per year. Household packaging is no stranger to this overweight, even if more and more of us are also (over) consuming. In terms of conditioning and packaging, where does the need end, where does luxury begin? Consumers pay twice for the packaging of the products they buy. When buying - the packaging counts for approximately 20% of the price of a product. This part covers the cost of the material but also the company's contribution for waste treatment. It is estimated that Belgians spend around € 250 per year on packaging.
And a second time when collecting household waste: the more waste we produce, the more we pay. However, packaging takes up about half the volume of our bins. In 30 years, the volume of packaging waste has increased fivefold. If we only take plastic packaging, the coefficient drops to 50!
Far be it from us to deny their usefulness. In developing countries, 30 to 50% of products never reach consumers because of a lack of strong enough packaging.
Did she explain a little the evolution of our habits!
What happens to waste?
A European directive obliges any company that has packaged or had products packaged in Belgium to take back its used packaging. Globally, the goal of achieving recycling rates of 50% and recovery of 80% (including recycling and energy recovery during waste incineration).
In our region, the companies have come together within the ASBL Fost Plus, responsible for organizing selective collections. Today, it has more than 6000 members. According to Fost plus, more than 80% of household packaging placed on the market is recycled.
In 2006 nearly 660.000 t of packaging waste was recycled: including 184.000 t of cardboard paper which simply becomes new paper from new cardboard with new fibers on a regular basis.
84.000 t of metals, 316.000 t of glass, 61.000 t of plastic and finally 13.800 t of cardboard for drinks.
Recycling has its limits: no need to insist on the need to sort waste, most Belgians readily comply. On the other hand, it is worth remembering that the operation has a cost for the environment and for society. It has perverse effects, because it tends to give consumers a clear conscience, who are less attentive to wasteful behavior. And then we arrive at the point that interests us the most in this post, the paper / cardboard recycling sector is a victim of its success: they do not find enough outlets for its recycled materials. Hence the importance of prevention. Experience shows that the more the action takes place upstream, in the design of the product or its packaging, the more they cause beneficial chain reactions. Producers and distributors therefore have a fundamental responsibility in this area.

With greetings from Lietseu. :P

Source: purchasing test (the Belgian consumer protection magazine) number 515 December 2007
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 15:00

And so to finish the subject and bring an additional stone to the building, here are some suggestions to reduce its waste.


The best way to manage this waste is to try to produce less of it. Here is a series of habits to adopt to lose weight in your garbage cans. The good news is that they also save you money.
Buy what you need. In supermarkets, everything is done to encourage impulse purchases. And it works: studies show that they can constitute up to 70% of our shopping cart. Tip: It's a shopping list and stick to it. (And go shopping with a full stomach, the temptations will be less strong).
Avoid multiple and preferred packaging when you have a choice, products wrapped in one material, or unpackaged.
Also avoid mini portions. In some cases, you buy more product packaging! Adapt the quantities to the needs of the household: buy in bulk or cut to size, opt for large packages for non-perishable foodstuffs. In short, it is always better to take products that are high in liters or in a large container rather than different small portions. At school or at work, get into the habit of using reusable containers, lunch boxes, water bottles, etc.
Avoid single-use products, such as disposable razors.
Opt for concentrated products (various detergents) and eco-refills (softeners, shower gel, etc.).
Prefer reusable returnable packaging (drinks) and those that incorporate recycled materials.
Avoid waste: plan your meals and take into account the expiration dates indicated on the label, followed the storage and dosage instructions.

The inflation of waste is not inevitable: before we ate what was produced in our regions and were dependent on the seasons. And then the packaging, allowing a better preservation of food abolished the borders widens our culinary horizons. Today, it seems that we are taking the full measure of the excesses induced by our globalized pantry.
Every day we face dozens of cases of conscience. "Am I going to take my car to the local supermarket, because I don't feel like walking?" "
"This exotic mango is eyeing me, the damage is done, it's here now, why deprive yourself of it? »Consumers are constantly encouraged to adopt responsible, sustainable, ecological, ethical behaviors ... It is not always easy to adhere to them every day. Alas, if fatality there is, it lies there, in the need, since we are fully aware of the ecological impact of lifestyle, to avoid risky behavior. It is our responsibility!

With responsible greetings from Lietseu :P

Thank you for taking the time to read me, I think this little clarification was necessary, do not see it as a way to make you feel guilty anymore!
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by C moa » 28/08/08, 15:41

Thank you lietseu for the article which brings me two questions:
- They talk about packaging all the time. Are newspapers, flyers and other glossy pubs of all kinds concerned?
- Do they know what the lack of outlets is due to?

Otherwise, 80% recycled, I think we are far from it.
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 17:05

C moa wrote:Thank you lietseu for the article which brings me two questions:
- They talk about packaging all the time. Are newspapers, flyers and other glossy pubs of all kinds concerned?
- Do they know what the lack of outlets is due to?

Otherwise, 80% recycled, I think we are far from it.


Yes, we are talking about all the waste and its distribution ...

The mistrust of a certain partner? no it is not specified!

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by Christine » 28/08/08, 17:15

C moa wrote:Otherwise, 80% recycled, I think we are far from it.


To complete lietseu:

80% is for Belgium where sorting and recycling are (much) more developed than in France.
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by Gregconstruct » 28/08/08, 17:18

Christine wrote:
C moa wrote:Otherwise, 80% recycled, I think we are far from it.


To complete lietseu:

80% is for Belgium where sorting and recycling are (much) more developed than in France.


I think that despite everything we are still relatively far from countries like Germany or the Scandinavian countries!
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 17:27

Christine wrote:
C moa wrote:Otherwise, 80% recycled, I think we are far from it.


To complete lietseu:

80% is for Belgium where sorting and recycling are (much) more developed than in France.


I confirm, here in Antwerp, everyone is OBLIGED to sort!

which is very good!
and this concerns plant waste too, hence the collection of flies in the kitchen : Cheesy: (fruit flies)

But hey, the flamingos have cash and the 1 X per week pickup requires 2 different trucks! 3 1X per month, with recyclable packaging such as plastics, milk carton etc ...

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by Christine » 28/08/08, 17:29

I think that despite everything we are still relatively far from countries like Germany or the Scandinavian countries!


Not sure ... I don't have the figures for Germany but 80% is huge. This figure relates to packagings, therefore especially recyclable cardboard and plastics, a little frigolite etc .... therefore materials that we know and can easily recycle. But there remains the problem of yoghurt pots, for example, which are considered as a residual part ...
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 17:37

Christine wrote:
I think that despite everything we are still relatively far from countries like Germany or the Scandinavian countries!


Not sure ... I don't have the figures for Germany but 80% is huge. This figure relates to packagings, therefore especially recyclable cardboard and plastics, a little frigolite etc .... therefore materials that we know and can easily recycle. But there remains the problem of yoghurt pots, for example, which are considered as a residual part ...


I put them in the dishwasher and it spins with the recyclable plastic, it has an identification badge, right?

With my hello, Lietseu :P
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