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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by sen-no-sen » 20/10/16, 18:56

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Bin me, I think that the degradation of nature has perhaps entered ... in the "nature" of man ... I will try an explanation ...


I have another hypothesis: what if everything that happened was in fact perfectly logical, and would only be a passage (test? For poets!) Of history?
When the first hominids began to develop the first technical rudiments, they triggered a chain of causation that it seems very difficult to be able to stop.
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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by Christophe » 20/10/16, 19:14

Yes, the monolith has had its effect and endures well !! : Cheesy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEaGQb6dJk

Mmmm is not really a cause that you put forward there ... but rather something like that is like that, it is "the destiny of humanity"? And therefore must be resigned? So-so...

I think we should more seriously look into and be inspired by theories like the Fermi paradox and the Kardashev scale science-and-technology / scale-of-kardashev-quantity-of-energy-of-a-civilization-t8166.html to have a better vision of humanity in the medium and long term ... and frankly seen as it is gone, it sucks ... : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 20/10/16, 19:27

Christophe wrote:Mmmm is not really a cause that you put forward there ... but rather something like that is like that, it is "the destiny of humanity"? And therefore must be resigned? So-so...


There is no destiny, but rather determinisms at work that it is very difficult to avoid, its last inevitably pass through "thresholds of mastery" (or quantitative leap).
EX:
Little objective analysis: was it easier for humanity to master thermonuclear fusion or the combustion of hydrocarbons?
... Is it easier for a baby to walk on all fours or perform a somersault?
: roll:
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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by Christophe » 20/10/16, 19:40

I find it hard to see a threshold of mastery (technological, philosophical, societal ... ???) which will change the situation soon with regard to the bullshit of current humanity!

You just have to see what forum: far from having the success it should have so much our action is important!

sen-no-sen wrote:Little objective analysis: was it easier for humanity to master thermonuclear fusion or the combustion of hydrocarbons?


Uh, I don't think we control either one ... or the other because in both cases it's far from perfect :D

Well I admit I don't understand these 2 examples well ...
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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by Janic » 20/10/16, 20:07

There is no destiny, but rather determinisms at work that it is very difficult to avoid, its last inevitably pass through "thresholds of mastery" (or quantitative leap).
linguistic subtlety. Insofar as these determinisms are at work and difficult (I would say impossible) to avoid
Fate means, at the present moment, the future history of a human being or of a society as it is predefined by an authority which is either considered as superior to men (possibly divine) in the finalist conceptions of the World, either as immanent to the universe (possibly Philosophy of history or nature) in deterministic conceptions.
Facing his destiny. The sea is often used as a metaphor for the concept: it would be as difficult to change one's destiny by will as it is to escape the ocean currents by swimming.
In these conceptions, it is often considered very difficult - if not impossible - for a man or a society to escape his destiny, at least in broad outline. The notion of fate is thus opposed to that of free will.
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Re: This man who favors the economy to life, biodiversity and nature ...




by Ahmed » 20/10/16, 20:37

Christophe, you write:
It is the basis of econology which wants to graft ecology to the economy is to summarize very quickly: man <-> economy <-> nature ...
That is to say going through money (since man obviously understands "only" that) to better respect the environment and nature!

Suffice to say that "it's dead", because wanting to transform the immediate cause of the degradation of nature into its opposite ... : roll:
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by sen-no-sen » 20/10/16, 20:53

Christophe wrote:
Uh, I don't think we control either one ... or the other because in both cases it's far from perfect :D

Well I admit I don't understand these 2 examples well ...


On the contrary, it is our too great control (extraction, transformation, valorization) in the use of hydrocarbons which to lead to the current ecocide.
Any discovery rests on another antecedent, and I don't see how technological development could have taken other paths.
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by sen-no-sen » 20/10/16, 21:02

Janic wrote: linguistic subtlety. Insofar as these determinisms are at work and difficult (I would say impossible) to avoid
Fate means, at the present moment, the future history of a human being or of a society as it is predefined by an authority which is either considered as superior to men (possibly divine) in the finalist conceptions of the World, either as immanent to the universe (possibly Philosophy of history or nature) in deterministic conceptions.


Except that fate does not meet the criteria of refutability.
If it is determined [i] a posteriori
and it is therefore impossible to demonstrate the reverse, beforehand and then he foreshadows a self-fulfilling prophet ...
It is more correct to speak of determinisms, because once these are understood it is then possible to act *, but as you rightly note, this is very difficult.

* This is the case in the field of accidentology, more vehicles in circulation = more accidents, but understanding the latter makes it possible to reduce their frequencies.
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by Christophe » 20/10/16, 21:08

Ahmed wrote:Suffice to say that "it's dead", because wanting to transform the immediate cause of the degradation of nature into its opposite ... : roll:


Rohh the villain! : Cheesy: I didn't say it would happen overnight ...

sen-no-sen wrote:On the contrary, it is our too great control (extraction, transformation, valorization) in the use of hydrocarbons which to lead to the current ecocide.
Any discovery rests on another antecedent, and I don't see how technological development could have taken other paths.


Mmmm we must not have the same sense of "mastery" ... when we master a technology it means that we control it perfectly: this is not the case with hydrocarbons given disasters (of all kinds ... including wars) that their past AND future exploitation provokes ...

Continue in your analogy please because I still did not understand the relationship with the 2 examples and this subject ... (I am a little kite ...)
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Re: This man who favors the economy to life, biodiversity and nature ...




by Ahmed » 20/10/16, 21:31

The problem is that the more you control a technology, the more you are controlled by it ... Because, in essence (no pun intended!), Technology is collective, so determinisms can be fully expressed.
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