The work, a scam for? Doc: Killing of work

[the middle]

It makes people who go into debt, and who work most often in pairs, the children at daycare, just to have a big house, a recent car, and go on vacation to exotic countries, bring back lots of photos then there imagine they are (someone) ..

at work, I get harassed by my young colleagues, "change your car !, your car is ugly, change your shoes, you always have the same ones, change your pants, buy jeans!"
And I answer them ... why?
Ha !, young people

[Ahmed]

we must remain aware that it is at this price that we all have the material comfort we enjoy ...

I do not agree at all with this hasty deduction: the reduction of employees and their putting "under pressure" is intended to generate additional profits and not to increase customer satisfaction. Before this new and regrettable managerial approach, a larger and more available number of employees could only be more available and more efficient in terms of comfort that you mention.

Elsewhere you say that all value comes from work, however what is worth cannot be quantified (okay, I admit, I pretend not to understand, but what a beautiful subject of meditation! (to add to that of Lietseu)).
In a world devoted to the tyranny of numbers, should we be surprised to be only a number and to be treated as such?

I generally agree with the analysis of Christine although I wish to express it in a slightly different form.
I must first emphasize that manual labor * has long suffered from great discredit and, therefore, it seemed consistent with this judgment that poor working conditions were associated with it.
Non-manual work ** which formed the logically antithetical pole was then exempt from these constraints: the fact that the degradation of work as a value now concerns all social categories introduces major confusion in sociological benchmarks, hence the violence of the feeling.
To put it another way, there was a simple and therefore well understood user manual of societal functioning, many applied themselves to follow the rules, sometimes with some success, then these rules became less and less effective from then on. that they were more followed!
First disarray, soon followed by a second: these rules are now officially declared obsolete.

* Manual work is considered degrading, it seems to me, because it refers to nature and to its own nature (I recommend reading Terrasson on "The hatred of nature"). The morbid attraction exerted by the virtual economy compared to the real economy seems to me to proceed from a fairly similar approach.
** I cannot bring myself to qualify as "intellectual" work a work which is not manual but often requires much less thought!

[Lietseu]

And that´s it lejuste au milieu sarcasm

And I answer them ... why? Shocked
Ha !, the Very Happy youth

Here we are, the young people you are talking about are the children of the consumer society ...

at 14-15 years old, we have kids who want to wear brands, very expensive, ...., because it returns a "fashion" image or should I say Fascinating by noting the sharing of the root of its two words


Meow, I feel even more "alien" (in the real sense-foreigner) on this land of mad people who run behind fortunes ...

[Aumicron]

And as a customer I take myself for the king: I will finally be able to compensate for my frustrations with the cashiers / salespeople / call center staff / assembler at Carglas ...

This behavior certainly exists, but what this documentary presents is indeed the alienation process implemented by the management, which is to be dissociated from the consequences of the "customer king".

Indeed, the last part based on the Fenwick case is edifying. It is quite revealing of the system where the man is definitively at the service of the economy (and not the reverse) and of the diktat of the shareholding on the whole of the company, from the manager to the seller.

This documentary also has the merit of highlighting the role of consultants. I particularly recommend the passages where 2 consultants work with the best sellers in order to supposedly benefit the entire sales team from their know-how. It's a marvel of precision and
reality (very good reality TV). The director perfectly captured the intellectual dishonesty of the process and all its hypocrisy, and that of one of the 2 consultants in particular. When consultants come into your business, watch out guys!

[Christine]

And as a customer I take myself for the king: I will finally be able to compensate for my frustrations with the cashiers / salespeople / call center staff / assembler at Carglas ...

This behavior certainly exists, but what this documentary presents is indeed the alienation process implemented by the management, which is to be dissociated from the consequences of the "customer king".

They have to be separated, in fact, but I mentioned the "customer king" for 2 reasons:


1) I believe that this behavior on the part of the customers is the consequence of this culture of the requirement at the lowest cost, of the general balance of power etc which comes to us from this management mode. And it reinforces this unhealthy culture, legitimizes it.

2) in our society where most of the benchmarks have been broken, the act of consumption is the last means of feeling recognized. And even the victims of this system, as soon as they feel they have a bit of power because they are in the consumer position, do not hesitate to exert this tyranny on others. This culture is being generalized in the company but also outside the company, in the other relationships that we have in society.

[Ahmed]

Christine mentioned above Chaplin's film, "Modern Times" which illustrated the alienation of workers by Taylorism, repetitive work and fragmented to the extreme.

In a way, the current alienation is more vicious: the old one imposed a cadence and monotony, but only required the physiology of the operator, a simple link in the service of machines; the news assumes that it is the employee, himself, who must determine the procedures likely to enable him to achieve at any cost the objectives set by management; in addition, he is asked to adhere closely to the "philosophy" (sic) of his company, sometimes through role-playing games or infantilizing sporting events.
To pass from the status of slave-machine to that of total slave, since accomplice, having to abdicate any judgment or personal value: it seems to me difficult to do worse.

[the middle]

Ahmed,
I have no idea who you are, but I really like your presence on econology.
I want to say, he is too smart to waste his time on the net ... and on the other hand, I tell myself, he just wants to share his knowledge, and to change the world, because the the best evolution takes place first in the head before the technology.
you are a very good riddle

[Ahmed]

Thank you for your laudatory appreciation, but, reassure yourself, I am not too intelligent (alas), I even have a rather laborious understanding for my taste: having taken time to assimilate a certain number of things I take advantage of the field citizen offered by the net to offer questions, analyzes and try to divert industrial dishes from ready-to-think, powerfully watered down but not very invigorating!

Dialogue is at the heart of living together, this is what the Athenians understood even though their vision was somewhat restrictive *!

You wrote :

because the best evolution happens first in the head before the technology.

The power of the technique is very recent compared to the history of humanity; certainly, it powerfully influences our impact on nature and modifies our ways of living, but perhaps more serious still, it subjugates our understanding and perverted our judgments. More serious, since by its significance it prevents us from taking this distance which, alone, would allow us to have a fair measure ** of its reality and, ultimately, to control it instead of submitting to it.

* It excluded women and slaves.

** which is not necessarily "a happy medium"!

[Petrus]

I just watched the two parts in one go, I had recorded them.
Christophe, I can give you the first part if you missed it.

I just thought it was great!

I loved the report on Carglass, it must have been a hell of a mess in the com service of the company
Under-staffed organized at the sacrifice of the quality of the services, I hope that the televiewers will remember it in case of cracked windshield!

And the guy who says text in front of his employees "I'd rather put 1 milion and a half in the profit rather than paying for hours" They don't even hide it anymore!

The seminars to motivate the "managers" the time they realize that they have been fucked (excuse my language) were good fun and scary too.

And all this would not be possible without the approval of slave-workers like this center manager who works 12H / days hoping for a return, he ended up cracking, surely he was not combative enough ...

And yes, the problem is the excessive exploitation of employees, but also the (organized) submission of these same employees.

I therefore propose some solutions that each can implement individually:

- Redefine one's relationship to work (work to live and not live to work)

- Live modestly, escape the cult of consumption.

- Build up a large enough cash reserve to deal with unforeseen events / live without pay (duration to be determined) without having to resort to a loan.

If you have other proposals, I am a taker.

at work, I get harassed by my young colleagues, "change your car !, your car is ugly

I experienced the same situation, except that it was my parents, so it's not a generation problem but a mentality of all generations, we guys haven't left the hostel!

[Ahmed]

Except that the inn begins to decay somewhat ...