Gaps in National Education programs and limits of new narcissistic educational methods

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by Christophe » 04/11/11, 21:19

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by dedeleco » 04/11/11, 22:06

more than 50 years ago, kid I was already told that we were not as good as our ancestors, in dictation and Latin, than at the beginning of the century, etc.

There is no more restore the entrance exam in 6th grade with the eliminatory dictation and everything will be fine, 10 times fewer students, also unemployed, school reserved for a deserving elite and as much less spending by the state !!!

Unless you make dictations with a computer spell checker, and see its corrections, I wonder how I managed to get into 6th grade with those damn accents, memories of ancient French !!

It would also be necessary to learn in school for the bac, that a short-circuited battery, at zero voltage outside with maximum current, nevertheless has its internal voltage very real, to make the body caval in the ions of its electrolyte and give this max current outside !!!

Apparently we forgot to teach some younger people about econology !!
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by Napo dwarf » 04/11/11, 22:49

it is clear that the level is pitiful and that the instructions to raise the notes of the bac are a shame
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by Flytox » 04/11/11, 23:36

A few years ago it was said that French national education was the second largest employer in the world ... after the Red Army : Mrgreen: Difficult to move the "Mammoth".

Not so sure that many teachers want to sign this petition. What some, well of the seraglio explained to me, is that at the beginning, they are all fired up, full of ideas, of good will to get things done, motivated for the "good" of the children. But then the system teaches them that standing still is la rule of thumb and that nothing can be done without it downgrading their status in one way or another.

After a few years of demotivation (orchestrated?), For far too many of them, the only thing that matters is these pharaonic and well-placed holidays with the minimum number of lesson hours to produce per month .... .being better for them, that this continues until retirement, the kids will pass after ....
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by Christophe » 05/11/11, 09:47

Flytox wrote:A few years ago it was said that French national education was the second largest employer in the world ... after the Red Army : Mrgreen: Difficult to move the "Mammoth".


This has changed a lot since the US military currently employs over 1 million people ....

+ 1 for the rest ... :|
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by gegyx » 05/11/11, 10:32

This petition sets out the facts, but in the end it is just a shot at the unions and giving the government balls. He is only waiting for that.
Besides? Would he not have underpinned this approach? :D

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Decades ago I heard how many times criticized the bad reforms imposed for basic education.

For spelling and reading (until the early sixties) the words were studied separately on the board and then sentences were made.
Then the global method was imposed: we read a text without understanding anything, then automatically we had to discover the meaning of the text, sentences and words and incidentally their spelling ...
It was badly accepted by the teachers who saw a worse move.
And yet it was compulsory, the sanctions fell for the recalcitrant.
After a few years, we passed to the semi-global method, just to calm the disputes. So it was less worse…
(I specify that for the dictations of the time, a fault of accent counted -1 point, the plural or the spelling of a word -2, and a fault of verb -4.
So actually, with these scales, it would be easy now to get a rating of -70 / 20 ...)

To learn to count is the same.
The multiplication tables by heart (ouch!).
In CM2 we learned the 4 operations, the rule of three.
The intervals, the surfaces, the volumes were calculated on practical, concrete problems:
number of tiles on a surface, number of fence posts, and, bad memories for some, the tap filling a bathtub that empties, when it is not the trains that cross or catch up ...

Decay came when homework was forbidden ...
I know that in CM2, we had four operations every day for the next day.
It didn't take much time, but the mastery was there.

These methods may have seemed harsh, but as in any serious learning.
I know that the "good teachers", like resistance fighters, continued to give operations to be made, by specifying that it was not compulsory ... (Shame!)

So, I do not know if the unions commanded the politicians, but what I do know is that the sanctions on these "refractory" teachers came from the hierarchy which applied the instructions coming from the ministry in place.
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by Macro » 05/11/11, 10:36

Have been this week to an orientation meeting for the great minimacrocrado ...

It was an unpacking of lies from the distressing educational team ....

Everything to obscure and discourage moms from trying to go to sought after and dear fathers, try to swing as many moms as possible in the sector high school (trash with no name) to fill it ...
Try to fill pro deadlock bins by making them glimpse of possible access to higher education (whereas the old pro bins in higher education are only 5% of the workforce) ...

One key word in what I could see: that we get rid of it as quickly as possible, at the least expensive, and that we keep the right places for the children of the elite ... While filling our trash classes to keep our staff (subsidies, number of positions ...)

Welcome to real life my little one, the one that has all the appearance and the smell of a big pile of shit that you will have to make disappear day after day by eating a big salad bowl every morning ...
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by manet42 » 05/11/11, 10:39

the only thing that matters is these pharaonic holidays and well placed and with the minimum number of lesson hours to produce per month ..... so much the better for them, that this continues until retirement, the kids will pass after.


A bit easy and "populist" argument! Once that has been said, the circle is closed ... It's the teachers' fault ..... period.
We do not talk about overcrowded staff (32 in the cp of my grandson).
Ridiculous instructions from educators (?) Inspectors:
I would point out that the rule of three should no longer be learned (my little girl in 5th grade) but we are talking about proportionality ...
In the same way the dictations in the primary, very badly seen..Etc..Etc ...

By the way,
the only thing that matters is these pharaonic holidayss
We say "these are the holidays" : Lol:
Similarly:
that the teacher who wrote
"The teacher who wrote" : Mrgreen:

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by Christophe » 05/11/11, 12:26

manet42 wrote:A bit easy and "populist" argument! Once that has been said, the circle is closed ... It's the teachers' fault ..... period.
We do not talk about overcrowded staff (32 in the cp of my grandson).
Ridiculous instructions from educators (?) Inspectors:
I would point out that the rule of three should no longer be learned (my little girl in 5th grade) but we are talking about proportionality ...
In the same way the dictations in the primary, very badly seen..Etc..Etc ...


Did you watch the video? : Shock:
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by Flytox » 05/11/11, 12:40

manet42 wrote:
the only thing that matters is these pharaonic holidays and well placed and with the minimum number of lesson hours to produce per month ..... so much the better for them, that this continues until retirement, the kids will pass after.


Argument a bit easy and "populist" ! Once this has been said, the circle is closed ... It is the teachers' fault .... period.
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The counter argument is just as "easy" and not argued .... No, it is rather the "fault" (very poorly chosen word) to the system or those who manage it, the teachers are not more to blame than the others. This administration tends to live for itself, for its own satisfaction, rather disconnected from the "public service" aspect and the "yield" of its activity.

We do not talk about overcrowded staff (32 in the cp of my grandson).


How far can we go in this ineptitude ... ??? It's to the point of talking about child care and not about schooling in some places. : Cry:
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