The universal basic income or income: operating debate

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Re: Basic income or universal income: functioning, debate




by Ahmed » 26/01/18, 12:25

I think the term "shit" was pretty encompassing (sic), but I preferred to clarify.
(Have you noticed that I agree with you on at least one point? : Lol: : Lol: )
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by Christophe » 26/01/18, 12:33

Yes I noticed this acquiescence which surprises me even a little : Cheesy:

Who rubs off on the other?

Or are we going towards the same mental asymptote?

: Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 26/01/18, 12:34

Ahmed wrote:One remark: the idea of ​​helping the most disadvantaged (including immigrants) is much more shocking than the existence of very large disparities, moreover, growing inside French society ... Amazing, no?


Absolutely but all this is included "in the big plan" ...
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by Petrus » 26/01/18, 15:51

Remundo wrote:We do not have to buy shit. Personally I buy food, I have very economical cars, and some tools (DIY + garden). it suits me well. Everyone is paying my head because I have a dirty old cell phone, and I like it.

Anyway, RU or not, the company of con-sot-mateurs is well anchored, and one can even wonder if it would not be stimulated by the guarantee to have a little too much money every month without doing anything. When you do not care, you have more time to go to the shops ... and tear off the mouth of your neighbor to have his pot of Nutella promo ...

Yep, we are in the era of the "bulshit economy". The goal is to sell useless stuff using deception, hype and the desire to be better than the neighbor.
As far as free time is concerned, it is quite the opposite, the tendency is to keep people busy to sell them services.
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by Remundo » 26/01/18, 19:36

Christophe wrote:
Remundo wrote:but of course, a family with 3 mouflets for 5000 € / month with 2 parents "psychologically released". Listen, that inspires me, I'm going to talk to my wife about it !! Start preparing your wallets to pay us eh! : Mrgreen:


I think you're completely off the table about UK funding ...

Do you know how much capital is in the banks for nothing? They create almost no economic activity and no human happiness (except perhaps an ego-social satisfaction to their owner ...)

This capital either belongs to its owners, or is a blank of money creation.

Would you not be a communist
The Tobin tax that causes you? Exemption of VAT on certain bank charges that causes you? Do you know the current price of social in France per capita? I think it is already located not far from 1000 € per head of pipe! The UK is just a drastic simplification!

These are vast subjects; I am not convinced that an RU really simplifies things because its uniformity does not adapt to the finesse of the different "social cases" (if I may say so!)
for a teacher, I find your speech to be "ego centered", how much are you paid per hour of work compared to other French people?
Here it goes with my remark about the officials! Sorry Raymond but you're going astray I think there ...

But me at least I work like many others, and I even bring home work which doubles my time of presence in front of the students ... moreover I had the diplomas among the highest which exist in France in my areas of expertise ... and believe me I still give a lot of myself in the face of some funny things.

So I am probably lost, but I am waiting for the battalions of people "not lost for a penny" who are waiting for their UK against a backdrop of progressive lyrical soaring ... do the same!
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by Christophe » 23/03/20, 16:10

Did I read correctly? Pinch me!

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by Remundo » 23/03/20, 17:04

SAPIR had spoken about it, ah I must find the video for you, it's called "helicopter money"

in summary the ECB shit billions of € ex nihilo with its computers, we distribute to cons and it is supposed to support the economy. The concern is that the factories are abroad for the most part, so loss of foreign exchange + devaluation + increase in debt ...



another analysis

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by Grelinette » 24/03/20, 14:33

Ahmed wrote:... the idea of ​​helping the most underprivileged (including immigrants) is much more shocking than the existence of very large disparities, what is more, growing inside French society ... Surprising, isn't it?

* The production is a sector in regression compared to the tertiary sector ...

Obviously, the aid to the most deprived is shocking because it is numerous (but minimal), direct, and highly publicized, while the very strong disparities, when speaking of very high salaries and incomes, are very vague, very difficult to assess or even " legally "hidden.

Who can give the exact amount of CEO income such as Carlos Ghosn, Xavier Niel, Bernard Arnaud, or politicians, especially when the latter combine salaries, allowances and other incidental expenses which pass through technical and complex arrangements which dilute the traces? ...
On the other hand, for a smicard, no benefit in kind, no stock option, participation or account abroad, ..., and the least penny paid in salary, indemnity, unemployment benefit or social assistance is declared , filed and cross-checked by control administrations.

But we must not be allowed to say that often talking about the subject of aid to the most deprived is a kind of "conspiracy" which makes it possible to designate those responsible for national deficits and to look away, far, very far, from the very large incomes. , could be a strategy of our political leaders, financial and other elites ... Ha bin yes, I let him say it ... That's it, I caught the virus of conspiracy!
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by Grelinette » 24/03/20, 15:07

Since we have been talking about this UK! ...
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by Ahmed » 24/03/20, 18:01

Grelinette, you write:
... while the very strong disparities, speaking of very high salaries and incomes, are very vague, very difficult to assess, and even "legally" hidden.

Another reason for this lesser stir is due to the whole meritocratic ideology that the ruling classes have been able to put in place.
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