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by Lietseu » 26/01/11, 14:49

You're welcome Obamot, that's econology, too!

For the synthesis, someone has a little time to kill and the capacity to do that in the rules of the art?

I invite chatelot16 to read the content of the previous link!
He will change his mind!

There is no worse threat than the one we ignore (General Lietseu, in a previous life)

meowuuuu : Mrgreen:
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by dedeleco » 26/01/11, 16:31

It seems that we forget the strange hypnotic method in our behavior, however instinctive in humans for millions of years in primitive tribes, used heavily in advertising and which is very effective in manipulating us unconsciously !!

So effective that we forget it !!!
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by Lietseu » 27/01/11, 14:29

No, no dedelco, it's not because we don't talk about it that we're not aware of it !!!

For years, advertisers have been using all the weaknesses of our psyche, to be able to sell us their salads better ...

The worst thing, as you point out, is that it works "without our knowing it voluntarily" : Cheesy:


To fight against it is necessary to try to be "here and now" permanently ... a whole program.


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by the middle » 30/01/11, 08:53

Hello,
I'm going to put a grain of salt into this conversation, and I know in advance that I'm going to bite my fingers.
But hey, I dive anyway.
We are all manipulators.
Now, giving my point of view, I try to manipulate.
When we educate our own children, we often manipulate.
I often wonder how it is that military genocide can take place.
How a human being can commit mass killings of civilians (I'm talking about war)
Often because he obeys ...
I think this debate is about the murder of our civilization.
So my reasoning goes to a question:
Do we have the power to change things?
Do not tell me that before wanting to change "things", the population should be aware of the disaster that is brewing.
Everywhere we talk about ecology, everywhere we talk about CO2 reduction, there is the film by Algore, etc ...
We currently have the means to force industrialists to change their rifles. (internet to start)
Look at what some Belgian internet users were doing a week ago; they did not know each other and managed to bring together thousands of people to show their "fed up"
Finally,
Goethe said:
Bold ideas are like pawns advancing in chess; they can be taken, but they can also start a winning game.

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by Obamot » 30/01/11, 10:50

lejustemilieu wrote:Hello,
I'm going to put a grain of salt into this conversation, and I know in advance that I'm going to bite my fingers.
But hey, I dive anyway.
We are all manipulators.
Now, giving my point of view, I try to manipulate.
Seen like that it is insoluble.

Definition of manipulation (in the sense understood in this thread):
“Occult or suspicious maneuver aimed at distorting reality”

There everything becomes clear, when the intention appears.

lejustemilieu wrote:When we educate our own children, we often manipulate.

[...] who is it "we"? I cannot feel concerned by such an assertion. How can we expect honesty to be transparent in a child, if we don't trust him or betray him ...
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by the middle » 31/01/11, 18:47

[...] who is "we"? I cannot feel concerned by such an assertion. How can we expect honesty to be transparent in a child, if we don't trust him or betray him ...

It is very difficult to say the depth of your thought in a few words.
I was not talking about betrayal, but that we tend to try to instill in our own children, our own ideas, our own ideals ... this is manipulation
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by Obamot » 31/01/11, 22:34

... Of course I see what you mean : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy: and I said that in all friendship! You also have to read Françoise Dolto, Jean Piaget etc ... and dig a little constructivism, there we start to put the right benchmarks and take things with gloves ... : Cheesy: you know, I think kids are able to understand everything ... even (and above all?) what we want to hide from them ... : Mrgreen: you really have to see if there is no way, frankly, to do otherwise ...
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by the middle » 01/02/11, 17:51

Ok, but we deviate from my idea which is to force the "big bosses" to use their profits for the profit of "green" research
Or, to take the "green" patents out of their drawer.
And this through one or more GLOBAL events.
And the tool of this revolt, would be the net. (As a means of communication, and of information)
: Cheesy: in Egypt, they cut the net, it's true.
But it was too late, the movement is launched.
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by Christophe » 01/02/11, 18:00

"Honey, are we having sex?"
"Not tonight I have a headache"


Who is manipulating whom? : Mrgreen:

lejustemilieu, your idea is defensible but you probably know better than I do, that these solutions, some of them do exist, will only be massively developed ... when they bring in more cash, profitability, dividends ... to companies polluting.

It is the "system" of creation of wealth, of thought, of Western philosophy of life which is "moldy" or rather unsuited to sustainable development ... it is not the green solutions that are lacking ...
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by bernardd » 01/02/11, 18:16

The basic problem is a problem of poor self-esteem and the lack of learning to negotiate at school.

Each employee is a "human capital" for the company. The proof, any invention of an employee is the property of his employer. Even if the invention is not within the scope of the work.

As such, all hiring is an increase in capital, and a departure a decrease in capital, which are not taken into account formally as such. All employees should have the right to the shares of their employer, with the voting rights and the corresponding dividend distributions: the profits would thus be distributed naturally.

In addition, each citizen of a monetary zone must receive an equal share of monetary creation, in order to compensate for the monetary inflation mechanical consequence of any monetary creation.

Thus, each citizen can choose the projects he will support with his purchases and investments, rather than leaving this power to the bankers, the only beneficiaries today of monetary creation.
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