to charge the manipulator is one thing ... but is not it more serious?
why is there so much manipulator? for me because it lacks a simple hierarchy
it's easier to be simply subordinate ... the boss is right because he's the boss, but he does not need to manipulate ... when you're no longer in the boss's service you're not in doubt that causes manipulation
more and more in the company the relationship is completely destructured: everyone must row to try to be more manipulative than the others ... the result is sterile
the worst is that in my last job I was criticized for not having enough authority ... my answer is clear: if you give me a clear hierarchical position I will be up to it ... if you do not me give no I will not handle my collaborator to take the superiority
finally manipulate to take the superiority it will be necessary to do it if there is no other way ... but for a serious goal ... not to be the leader of a little box of nothing at all
Strategy for manipulating the population and opinion in 10 rules
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Chatelot, you speak of "hierarchy" of "chief" etc ... Try to reread the 30 criteria by replacing "manipulator" by "manager".
The problem is that these 30 criteria are a learned / desired model to be / become the modern "Manager" of our companies .... You have to see their bedside book: "Become a perfect asshole in 10 lessons".
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The 30 criteria of the Manipulator by Isabelle Nazare Aga
Isabelle Nazare-Aga (extracts from the book "Les manipulators are among us ")
How to cope?
1.It makes others feel guilty in the name of family bond, friendship, love, dedication
2.It defers his responsibility on others, or dismisses his
3.He does not clearly communicate his demands, needs, feelings and opinions
4.It very often responds blurry
5.He changes his opinions, his behavior, his feelings according to the people or the situations
6.He invokes logical reasons to disguise his demands
7.It makes others believe that they must be perfect, that they must never change their minds, that they must know everything and respond immediately to requests and questions
8.It questions the qualities, the competence, the personality of others: he criticizes without appearing to be, devalues and judges
9.He has his messages made by others
10.It sows zizanie and creates suspicion, divides and reigns
11.Il knows how to place himself as a victim to be pitied
12.He ignores requests even though he says he's busy
13.He uses the moral principles of others to satisfy his needs
14.It threatens in a disguised manner, or practices open blackmail
15.It changes the subject altogether during a conversation
16.It avoids or escapes from the interview, the meeting
17.It focuses on the ignorance of others and makes believe in its superiority
18.It lies
19.He preaches the wrong to know the true
20.It is egocentric
21.He can be jealous
22.It does not support criticism and denies the evidences
23.It does not take into account the rights, needs and desires of others
24.He often uses the last moment to order or make others act
25.His speech seems logical or coherent while his attitudes meet the opposite pattern
26.It flatters to please you, makes gifts, is suddenly pampered for you
27.It produces a feeling of discomfort or non-freedom
28.It is perfectly effective to achieve its own goals but at the expense of others
29.He makes us do things that we probably would not have done of our own volition
30.It is constantly the subject of conversations, even when it is not there
The problem is that these 30 criteria are a learned / desired model to be / become the modern "Manager" of our companies .... You have to see their bedside book: "Become a perfect asshole in 10 lessons".
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Funny that both of you bounce on the professional aspect ... I posted this in general for everyday "real life" ...
What does that mean? That manipulative behavior is now the rule in the world of work?
My God, I think I've been independent for too long ...
ps: finally, I still noticed that the pros of the web manipulate and lie more and more (buying jaime or positive reviews on fuckbook for example ...) ... to gerber ...
What does that mean? That manipulative behavior is now the rule in the world of work?
My God, I think I've been independent for too long ...
ps: finally, I still noticed that the pros of the web manipulate and lie more and more (buying jaime or positive reviews on fuckbook for example ...) ... to gerber ...
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Chatelot 16 said:
OK, Mr Chatelot, we'll put someone more capable in your place ... (that's what they did, no?)
my answer is clear: if you give me a clear hierarchical position I will be up to it ... if you do not give it to me I will not manipulate my collaborator to take the superiority
OK, Mr Chatelot, we'll put someone more capable in your place ... (that's what they did, no?)
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Handling is an innate function to the man!
If you have children, take a step back and watch them act.
They handle from their first days.
Some are better than others or their game is quickly thwarted by those around them.
For some it is virtuosos who do it in their private circle and / or at work.
If you have children, take a step back and watch them act.
They handle from their first days.
Some are better than others or their game is quickly thwarted by those around them.
For some it is virtuosos who do it in their private circle and / or at work.
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The example of French news: http://television.telerama.fr/televisio ... 109840.php
The world distorted by French news
If she saw herself on French TV, would the planet recognize herself? Not sure, one says to the reading of the precious work of synthesis carried out by the INA teams in their thematic barometer Ina Stat '. Consecrated instead of the international info on the six historical hertzian channels (TF1, France 2, France 3, Canal +, Arte and M6) between 2009 and 2013, the last edition of the study paints a portrait of the world in anamorphosis . Five-point lighting.
United States, world champions
First lesson: the United States remains first in the ranking of countries most followed by French news. From 2009 to 2013, they have been scrutinized, both in terms of their domestic politics and their relationship with the rest of the world. In 2009 (beginning of the first term of Barack Obama, banking crisis), 2011 (death of Bin Laden) and 2012 (Aurora shooting, presidential campaign and reelection of Obama), more 2 200 topics dealing with the topical news -Atlantic were broadcast on the major French antennas. The only exception, notes the study: Arte, who is interested in 2013 in the first place to Germany.
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Radio version of 2005: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXHlKl_Yvo
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The argument developed under the title “Personal attack of circumstance” (fourth from the end) is questionable: the conflict of interest is a very real cause which skews studies or testimonies; that an opinion is impartial is a necessary condition, although not sufficient ...
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The first step would be to make the interlocutor admit that because he is "game", it may possibly not be impartial"but it is not easy to make it understood because:
... When "the ego takes over", it can go to the point where the manipulator is no longer aware of manipulating ... And it is far from sure that to put under his nose, to try to reason with it, all the constituent ingredients of"the shadow zone in which he finds himself"(see" internal conflict ") has a salutary effect which would make him come out of his denial (in principle it is the opposite, some lock themselves up in it, others get angry, it can even go as far as a sort of introversion reflex ...)
Therefore no one will be surprised to find examples even in this thread ...!
In criminal law, the prosecution seeks to highlight the "will harm", when there is a suspicion of manipulation. If it is demonstrated, then it may well be that the Court considers that the defendant was aware and therefore to deduce some personal will, there is only one step ...
PS: funny to note that neither this article of SOTT, nor the quotation in quotation marks are signed!
Signs Of The Times wrote:[Manipulation of the mind: false-debates, rhetoric and fallacious arguments:
"In a debate, argumentation is the most essential thing to support its claims. The problem lies in the sincerity of the arguments put forward and their usefulness in moving the debate forward. Because very often, the debate of idea turns into fight of boxing or all the blows are allowed to be right.
It's almost always the same problem ... The ego takes over, he wants to be right and by any means, this situation of internal conflict engenders all sorts of rhetorical strategies in the debate to bring "truth" to our side. Here is an indispensable infographic that lists some fallacious argumentation techniques.
... When "the ego takes over", it can go to the point where the manipulator is no longer aware of manipulating ... And it is far from sure that to put under his nose, to try to reason with it, all the constituent ingredients of"the shadow zone in which he finds himself"(see" internal conflict ") has a salutary effect which would make him come out of his denial (in principle it is the opposite, some lock themselves up in it, others get angry, it can even go as far as a sort of introversion reflex ...)
Therefore no one will be surprised to find examples even in this thread ...!
In criminal law, the prosecution seeks to highlight the "will harm", when there is a suspicion of manipulation. If it is demonstrated, then it may well be that the Court considers that the defendant was aware and therefore to deduce some personal will, there is only one step ...
PS: funny to note that neither this article of SOTT, nor the quotation in quotation marks are signed!
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