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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 02/12/11, 14:02

As we speak of Israel we enter the forbidden zone!
This is a subject very "sensitive".

Like a child beaten by his parents, who become adults hitting his turn (in a small portion of cases well on), Israel shrinks the abused child syndrome.
The pogroms, the Holocaust, it was such a trauma in Israel now systematically bellicose trend vis a vis any external threat.
Israel was born in the pain of the Holocaust, it appears that this suffering is reflected in behavior on the verge of paranoia.

For Iran (I am willing to tell the government, not the people), the United States and Israel are Zionist entity and the lair of the Great Satan.
Once again the terrifying dangers seen mixture Policy / religion ... especially since after their interpretation of the Koran, Israel must disappear ...

NB: in the Qur'an, the antichrist will be born ... in Iran!
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Unread Messageby Obamot » 02/12/11, 14:47

The fight against terrorism share the same paradigm: the fear of the "other"!

According to some historians, the "Hatred of Jews"Possibly on their discriminatory practices, sectarianism of their religious practices, etc., but probably based on a lot of jealousy ... as much before the "cause" to which they belong today (Holocaust), themselves and many theologians, even date back to Judas ...

But at this price we can also reopen all war fronts completed since 5'000 years in the world! And solve the same time all demographic problems (it's a metaphor!).

I was one day to the WHO, and asked one of the leaders, why this world organization, was not protected by erecting around, a kind of Fort Knox type of wall almost by locking themselves in a blockhouse as saw fit to have to do the UN to "protect terrorism! "

- "It's simple" (To me he said) "Because we, we have nothing to reproach ourselves".

The day Israel will decide to cut down the "wall of shame 'they have built (as some observers call it) that day we can say that something positive has changed in this country! (What do they need a wall, moreover, since they have nuclear weapons ... therefore it is clear that she did not even put them away ...)

It's so absurd that I prefer not to take a stand. Moreover it is not possible with them, since you risk being treated as "anti-Semites" if you do not share their opinions ... (Even though they do not really know the semantics of this word!)
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 02/12/11, 15:13

Obamot wrote:According to some historians, the "Hatred of Jews"Concerning their discriminatory practices, sectarianism of their religious practices, etc. well before the "cause" to which they belong today (Holocaust), themselves and many theologians, even Judas back .. .


The Holocaust is a powerful defense for Israel to justify a war policy.
All the domineering countries we used these types of schemes since the beginning of time, invoking God, the war against terrorism etc ...

Moreover it can not be with them, since you risk to make you treat "anti-Semites" if you do not share Lerus opinions ... Even though they do not even know the semantics of the word !


Shlomo Sand Israeli historian has recently cast a stone into the pond with his book:The Invention of the Jewish People explaining that most Jews ... was not (genetically speaking).
Under this general term it would be made in various European and other tribes converted to Judaism during the Middle Ages, and as assimilated Jewish time, the Israeli nation relying only on a mythical founder narrative to justify its existence.
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Unread Messageby moinsdewatt » 04/12/11, 20:21

The Iranian military said Sunday destroying a US unit of recognition over the east, Reports the official Arabic television channel Al Alam quoted an unnamed military source.

"The armed forces of Iran have shot down a US drone RQ-type 170 in the east," said the channel.


http://www.europe1.fr/International/L-I ... in-846725/

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Iran's armed forces shot down a US RQ-170 UAV in the east of the country, "the channel said." This spy drone, which is not too damaged, has been seized by the Iranian armed forces. "

"The Iranian military response to this violation of our airspace by the spy drone will not be limited to the borders of Iran," Does added the same source.

In July, Iran announced it had shot down a US drone near the holy city of Qom near the Fordu nuclear site.

http://www.challenges.fr/monde/20111204 ... -pays.html

To see if it's true or a propaganda coup.
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 05/12/11, 11:13

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Obamot, passes quickly once Ajax window on your ball ... Crystal (I prefer to specify those not follow eh!) !!
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Unread Messageby Obamot » 05/12/11, 22:18

Ajax put on my crystal ball is not enough to remove the veil of uncertainty that prevails among each other ... : Cheesy:

There is not only the drones, but also political assassinations ... and even civilians, as targeted to researchers and mathematicians, computer scientists and even Iranian engineers ... (unless ...)

Alas, because they make us forget the violence that this regime would be able (note the conditional).

Remember the armed brigades motorcycles, masked and dressed in black who were attacking the population at public events, did not hesitate to beat up demonstrators and even murder in the street in front of everyone (Basij militia ). of us remember the sad end of Neda, who barely out of a car, took a bullet in the head while she was with her piano teacher, and several of his comrades.

The images of all these abuses, taken from mobile phones had been around the world within hours. Even as the regime in Tehran, accusing the West of being behind these disorders.

Curiously, two years after these sad events held at public events, we have seen similar scenarios in the breed "Arab Spring". Presented initially as "spontaneous movements", it was very quickly disappointed to learn that the CIA was behind the initiators with dollars milion (they have acknowledged, through the voice of the CIA) and then in this case, it is well with his NATO strike force on the ground in Libya, with billions ... heinhein!

So even if everything is possible, it seems common knowledge that if something were to happen again from the West, we would see happen one way or another! Either with a spectacular event type 9 / 11 (possibly again "instrumentalized"But completely different), a real attack after harassment / repeated provocations on Iran, to make them" crack "and lead them to fault.

The real question I have no answer, so have launched the Arab Spring, respectively, in at least five countries: Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Syria as the most dangerous target would be the Iran? For cons, I do agree with you is that to make a war, we must target a "choice"!

Now maybe we are wrong all, if we admit that Western policy is "healthy" and that a real danger exists, and there is no designs on oil réseves ... (but I see the back of the class who cough ...)

Regarding the America that is presidential campaign, I do not see an act of war program now, because in wartime the reflex of populations is often tend to rally around their president ... And as Republicans are eager to get back in control, it really would not be the time. And honestly, I do not see a Democrat like Obama, launching now in a warlike rhetoric, with desperate cases ...............vides

Among those "other side" to go to war by provocation would be a tactical error, because they might then see the hawks in control (I know, it is contradictory, but it would not be the first time. ..) and if they have war aims, they will want to wait for their "bomb" is prète and operational (if indeed that their nuclear program is oriented in this direction, but they swear us otherwise, is not not?................)

Besides, if there is a war now, it is against the euro, probably attack US over credit rating agencies. Because I do not know if you noticed, but America has lost its triple AAA with 65'000 billion of debt in total and we do not tell even more ... (Ni oil prices ... for that matter!)

Even though the single currency is under attack for some malheux hundreds of billions of euros ...

Meanwhile, America remakes us the blow of very low dollars and filled its order books with an industry that must run at full speed, while Europe threatens it back into recession and debt qu'ormis there were no drastic problems here ... (If the unemployment rate, but this is not a scoop ...)

While a new war? Yes why not, but after the election, right?
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Unread Messageby dedeleco » 05/12/11, 22:45

The USA and the CIA are playing with fire, because the shock strategy (or disaster capitalism), with uncontrollable Arab, the € and war against Iran (Islamic also to the CIA manipulations before 1980) will do the worst disaster in the US, well underway on its weakest population.
So only a tiny circle in the US, very rich sheltered outside the US, hoping to make a profit with this madness.
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Unread Messageby Obamot » 06/12/11, 12:21

The fact is we do not know exactly what is happening, or "what to think"!

And this is voluntary and deliberate imho!

How else explain the procrastination around the so-called "War against terrorism"? Paradigm confessed and formally abandoned by Obama ... but whose foundations remain, until .... Hollywood, and it's not innocent! You can take ALL américiaines series (or feature films people), and you will find that there is virtually no drama fails to talk about "terrorism", all more or less evil introduced into the scenario .. .! Sometimes it is crying awkwardness, so we see that it has been added or it arrives there without one does not understand very well why! At this point ... it goes beyond the notions of "secret service", we are in the audiovisual indecency, whereas if there are statistically the number of deaths and bombings in résultraient in Western countries, they must count on the fingers of the hand ... What's wrong ...

How else to explain the search for greater ethics and a desire for justice with the creation of the ICC, while at the same time we summarily executed without trial Ladden Ben .... even though many countries were concerned (many victims of different nationalities during 9 / 11, many countries embriguadés in the "coalition" in Iraq as in Afghanistan, and the most wanted man on the planet neutralized in a country is not at war, and without the approval of its authorities!), and with that, we should still believe in justice and the legitimacy of what our companies offer?

But what example is it given us? Sometimes I tell myself that mankind has not advanced one chouilla since the fifties ... The paradigm still looks the same, handling crowds continues unabated, and the con of citizen attempts to express an opinion is embedded in the form of billions of woueb pages that pollute the canvas ... It's like shouting in a ceaseless brouahah ...

I do not know if you've seen the statistics of "hits" per week the most visited on the web? It is distressing to see how people are sheep-like compared to what is called "news" ... And the worst is that it is not a long time ... the rarely want raccolage over a week ... After the "dominant mass" move on! And flew in a few days: the anniversary of 9 / 11, Wikileaks and Assange worries disappeared the Occupy movement and the colossal debt of America up to 65'000 billion, forgot the price of oil and neutrinos that exceed the speed of light ...

Only Greece and other members of the PIGGS are mentioned, because promoting the recession must necessarily benefit those who make the propaganda ... Have you thought? If so, who benefits (ra) the crisis?
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Unread Messageby Remundo » 03/06/12, 12:51

The site 01net relays an article in The New York Times... Not bitten worms !! : Cheesy:
Stuxnet: a worm created by the US and Israel

Thunderclap in the columns of the New York Times, the US daily reveals that the United States and Israel jointly developed the worm that attacked the nuclear plant at Natanz.

We know who was behind Stuxnet, the mysterious worm that has shaken the Internet two years ago. According to information from David E. Sanger, New York Times reporter, it was the United States and Israel that jointly developed the software. Problem: their creation has escaped them!

Worthy of the best spy movies, the article tells how the Bush administration, from 2006, tried to slow the progress of Iran's nuclear program.
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So, in an attempt to curb Iran secretly progress, CIA and General James Cartwright, a specialist in cyber warfare, offer a "radically new idea" to the president: to develop an extremely sophisticated cyberarme to address the computers that control the Natanz plant.
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The mission will be entrusted to the NSA and the "8200 unit", a secret group of the Israeli army whose technical skills "rival those of the NSA," according to the journalist.

Stuxnet, which was called internally The Bug was first tested ... in the United States, where we secretly built a "virtual replica" of the Iranian power station.
[] The tests, especially successful - the worm manages to completely wreck the speed centrifuges - convince the Bush administration to launch the operation on the Iranian plant.

The emergence of Stuxnet
Yes but now, a bug in The Bug will almost derail the operation "Olympic Games": Stuxnet. "An error in the code led to copy the code into the computer of an engineer while connected centrifuges.
() Suddenly, the code has been exposed, "says the journalist.

Barack Obama, anxious to see the code potentially do damage in nature would have asked "whether to turn off that thing" to its teams of national security.

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Unread Messageby Obamot » 03/06/12, 13:45

Interesting to see that Obama is directly involved in an illegal operation.

totally illegal ... Or only part of what happens there beyond his control!

also interesting to see how these two statements are nested! So much so that this "detail" was not even challenged! These countries are therefore not totally to the popular will of their citizens, since the resultant is a sort of nebula of supra-national power, in which decisions would be made in the greatest secrecy, since voluntarily escaping any control of the respective legislature and executive of these two states ...

This is pure madness.

To say whether they think they are above the law and global governance, and that nothing can stop them! (I refer to this forum, you know, the so-called security Council UN, within the confines of which independent states deemed disserteraient year-length triumph for the rule of law ...).

Well, well ... bein next 9 / 11 (inside job or not, but yes given this revelation) is the rupee starling ... : Cheesy:
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