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by Christophe » 23/11/11, 01:43

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by Christophe » 30/11/11, 14:54

It heats in Iran !!

Interference between London and Tehran after embassy attack

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/art ... _3218.html

Iran: Nicolas Sarkozy talks about sanctions after the attack on the British Embassy

http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/ar ... _3216.html

Britain evacuates embassy staff to Iran

London claims to hold Tehran "responsible" for the invasion of its diplomatic representation by Islamist demonstrators on Tuesday, and threatens "serious consequences".


http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012374 ... de-en-iran

We started wars for less than that ... and when the ambassadors leave it's because it smells scorched ...
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by Christophe » 30/11/11, 15:38

Confirmed info: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20 ... ssade.html

Britain closes embassy in Tehran and Iran embassy in London

Posted on 30/11/11 at 08:18 am Modified at 15:26 pm by Le Nouvel Observateur with AFP

Video - Embassy embroiled and ransacked on Tuesday by Iranian regime hardliners


It may be high time to buy an NBC suit !!!

I laugh but it is downright not funny! :| :|
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by Christophe » 30/11/11, 19:36

Ah there it starts to really smell bad: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20 ... heran.html

IRAN. Germany recalls ambassador to Tehran

The German Foreign Ministry recalled its ambassador to Tehran on Wednesday (November 30th) "for consultations", the day after the attack by Islamist demonstrators at the British embassy in the Iranian capital.

"In view of yesterday's events in Tehran, Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle has decided to recall the German ambassador to Tehran for consultations in Berlin," the ministry wrote in a statement.

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Same for France: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20 ... adeur.html

IRAN. France "recalls in consultation" its ambassador

In the aftermath of the attack on the British embassy, ​​the Quai d'Orsay points to a "flagrant violation of the Vienna Convention".

France has decided to "recall for consultation" its ambassador to Iran and reiterated to the Iranian charge d'affaires in Paris the strongest condemnations of the sacking of the British embassy in Tehran, the spokesperson said Wednesday evening November 30. of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

"Given this flagrant and unacceptable violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the gravity of the violence, the French authorities have decided to recall the French Ambassador to Iran for consultation," said spokesperson Bernard Valero, in a statement.
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by Obamot » 01/12/11, 01:55

... there I can look in my crystal ball, I can't see anything ( :D )

As I understand it is provocations of Iran (one more ...) should we be afraid? NATO has shown its strength in Libya, and for the moment they have other cats to whip ... They do not want to go to Syria for geostrategic questions (for the moment ... it always gets stuck with Putin who has / had problems with leaving with "his" Muslims) So Iran !!!

I don't think it will lead to anything, Iran is "testing the waters", and the West is not ready to wage war there ... not now! They have a lot of stuff on their arms ... Besides, we know the target closest to Iran, a target that tends to want to be forgotten since we know that it is more than probably also behind the agitation of the "Arab Spring" (Zuckerberg knows a lot about it ...). Arab Spring which is messing up with the elections: with the Islamists who seem to be in the majority everywhere: Tunisia, Libya ... Egypt !!! A bitter failure with boomerang effect!

Aside from targeted attacks to destroy nuclear facilities, I don't really see ... And it seems far too early.

Apart from the raids, it is a "road map" that I do not feel, because it would take a long time to set up as it is ...
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by Christophe » 01/12/11, 10:26

I hope you see right ...

Obamot wrote:Aside from targeted attacks to destroy nuclear facilities, I don't really see ... And it seems far too early.


And even that, it would be very delicate, very well explained in the underside of the cards cited just above:

Christophe wrote:The bottom of the maps on Iran: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdt5qz ... ebute_news
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by sen-no-sen » 01/12/11, 13:26

Christophe wrote:And even that, it would be very delicate, very well explained in the underside of the cards cited just above:

Christophe wrote:The bottom of the maps on Iran: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdt5qz ... ebute_news


It only addresses the possibility of an Israeli attack / response (?) ... this would in fact be supported by the United States, and with the help of a few B-2 stealth bombers, most of the nuclear sites could be destroyed. ... it would sound the advent of the first oil crisis of the century, because as indicated in the documentary, 40% of the crude oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz.


Obamot wrote:
As I understand it is provocations of Iran (one more ...) should we be afraid?


Who provokes who? This is the question ... the pipeline routes are highly penetrable! : Mrgreen:
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by Obamot » 02/12/11, 00:30

It is not false ! ( : Mrgreen: )

As Christophe had initiated it, I said that the "Arab Spring" would have messed up, but added "From the western point of view", there was no bias in my words. Indeed, on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood, it is rather a plebiscite (although they have problems with "the soldiers" ... go to understand ...)

Ahmadinejad would have said things with common sense about 9/11 ... But we can not say that his words are not provocative, at least they are disturbing to our ears not converted to the faith he practices. It does not bother me more than that, as the Westerners have lost the sense of measure in .... bein heuuuh ... in finally almost everything!

And he would be almost sympathetic, if he did not threaten, outright, to eradicate another state of the Middle East (what must have been done to deserve so much bitterness? On the other hand, they have already distinguished themselves by other feats of arms, notably against Iraq, before that ...)

In complete contradiction with this warlike rhetoric, some observers would even accuse him of belonging to the CIA (or at least of having collaborated with it? He would have a troubled part in his curriculum and would have been largely funded from abroad, they say ...).

So it is very difficult for me to have a definite opinion on this country, because until now, since we are talking about the UN, this organization is supposed to work for the respect of the sovereignty of the states [... ] but sometimes it is difficult to distinguish its action from NATO (I'm hardly exaggerating) the UN is also supposed to work for Peace and not to wage war [... what about Côte d'Ivoire , of the "duty to interfere", what about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq ... what about the "Great Lakes conflict", the Srebreniza massacre etc] But indeed - from the point of view of the West - the focus point of a nuclear weapon is not reassuring. From the point of view of the balance of power, and especially a desire to control oil resources: that's another song ...

If you want, I like the neutral and academic tone of "Dessous des cartes", and Géopolitis (TSR).
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by sen-no-sen » 02/12/11, 13:04

I do not see how Iran could not acquire nuclear weapons?
Who sets the rules?
Ahmadinejad is not so crazy as one would like to believe.
He knows very well that to possess the atomic weapon is to ensure that it is placed on the world stage.
When we know that all the nuclear powers, under the guise of reducing arsenals, are in the process (the US first of course) of developing 4th generation nuclear weapons (pure fusion H bomb), we can see that it is once again the hospital that does not care about charity!

Ahmadinejad knows very well that if he attacks Israel, his country will be wiped off the map within 24 hours, on the other hand, Israel could very well launch hostilities with the support of the "free world".



In complete contradiction with this warlike rhetoric, some observers would even accuse him of belonging to the CIA (or at least of having collaborated with it? He would have a troubled part in his curriculum and would have been largely funded from abroad, they say ...).


Historically and indirectly, this is not wrong, because originally, it was the United States and the United Kingdom who did "what is necessary" to remove the Prime Minister Mossadeq (who wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil wells in profit of the people and not for the profit of the majors) and to set up the regime of the Shah which was itself dismissed for the profit of the regime of the Mullahs which continues today).
So it is the US that is causing the problem ...
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by Obamot » 02/12/11, 13:43

Certainly, but as you say, they risk being wiped off the map. So it's good that the development of an atomic weapon is not reassuring, neither for some, nor for others ...

As for Israel, since you quote it, it is not they who play with fire by bullying a population for decades? And this against all the rules of international law, by practicing discrimination as in the time of apartheid in South Africa?

It is not they who then permanently wander as a victim (almost by tradition with the shoa?)

It is not them yet who would like to make the whole world fall into "their paranoia". Since some observers attribute certain responsibilities to them in the September 11 attacks (?)

It is not them finally, who on the pretext that in the state "Their borders would not be secure", continually annex Palestinian and even Jordanian lands ... What would the world say, if Switzerland annexed the Salève and the Jura with the same pretext?

It is not this people, however, who, as opposed to this constant velocity, produces such brilliant brains in all fields of the arts and sciences, and this at the highest level?

What a sad epic for a people who have really suffered so much, and who now seem to make others suffer in turn. All this is distressing, and I would hardly be surprised, if by dint of operating unilaterally on these own rules, in disregard of the rest of the world, that one day the worst comes yet ...
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