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by Obamot » 23/08/10, 11:48

Christophe wrote:The Islamist threat is undoubtedly exaggerated by certain American merdias (fox news in particular) ...

BUT it exists all the same and there are many thousands of crazy gods ready to blow up with them a maximum of "Christian or Jewish infidel dogs" ...

The strasbourg Christmas market had been targeted but it had been prevented by the German and French anti-terrorist services ... so we heard little about it (and normally we shouldn't have heard of it at all ... because because an operation works, we don't talk about it)

And there are more and more Islamic extremists ... (necessarily hate calls hate) ... and there is even a country that has nuclear weapons: Pakistan ... which potentially can quickly be much more dangerous than Iran if "madmen" take power there ...


Absolutely. However, Pakistan has always been pro-American, it is not for nothing that the rear bases of the Taliban are in Pakistan and that the latter were financed by the Americans. As Zbigniew Brzezinski states, this is an established fact.

Going to meddle in these affairs is also very risky, Benazir Bhutto had paid the highest price.

It is also semantically not correct to speak of "religious fanatic" (as we see in the press), since by definition they cannot be both at the same time (in the sense of religare, we relate to each other ...). And fanatics, there are in all religions (neither the crusades, nor the time of the colonies are finished for the time being, alas ...).

Regarding Islamition of the society. There's no "d'islamoth natural ". Is not the cause in some cases (all?) That "nature abhors a vacuum"? Is it not true that in Christian societies, this current has lost ground because of the Vatican's historical lack of adaptation to current society and by a lack of perpetuation of the traditions at its "base"? To ask the question is to answer it. We know something about it with the controversies around the burka and other chadors ... And in Switzerland, with the vote against the minarets, this shortly after initiatives such as the only truly ecumenical radio station in Switzerland gave up. The extremist currents immediately exploited "this new niche" and we saw the disastrous result of it in the stigmatization of communities, one against the other (but I must be a utopian to believe that it is possible to "get along" ...).

It is therefore rather a cultural affair. These communities stupidly succeed where others fail! This is the source of what comes from what some people consider to be "Islamity" (ie a kind of "irremovable and horrifying state of affairs" ...). Let those whose role it is in society and who fail to federate, become aware of it and do what is necessary to open up to the current world, instead of painting the devil on the wall and rejecting the mistakes on everything that ends up "ism".
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by Christophe » 23/08/10, 12:04

Obamot wrote:Pakistan has always been pro-American


"Always" like in the time of the Shah of Iran ???

I don't know what it means "always" in History and even less in geopolitics !!

No country is immune to a coup or a popular uprising ... even if some are obviously more exposed than others ...

ps: Iran's GDP per capita is $ 12,900 (2009 est.) compared, for example, to that of Poland $ 17,900 (2009 est.) or Iraq $ 3,600 (2009 est.) or Pakistan $ 2,600 (2009 est.)
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by Obamot » 23/08/10, 12:20

Again you do well to say and remember it, especially since like Afghanistan, it is a tribal country ...

I did not speak for the future ...

I was talking about the past! (Perfect tense.)


There is this "famous" sentence: “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal”.

Jun 7, 2010 Mon 12:21 am // chowk.com/ilogs/78098/52617 wrote:Zulfikar Ali Bhutto: An American Assassination
Reproduced under is an excerpt from the book, “Third World: New Directions” (1976) by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was Pakistan's socialist Prime Minister from 1973-1977. He was removed from office through a US backed military coup by Gen. Zia-ul-Haq in 1977, and later executed on trumped up murder charges in 1979 (see 1979 Time magazine article reprint at the end). In partnership with Gen. Zia ul Haq, the US- CIA set up camp in Peshawar, Pakistan to train, indoctrinate, fund and arm the Mujahedeen (the spiritual “fathers” of the Taliban) and Bin Laden's “Arab Afghans” (Al-Qaeda was a CIA / Saudi joint venture) to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989.
For straying from Ayyūb khān's "pro-American line". Yet he had studied in England and the United States, then had opened a law firm in Karachi in 1953 ...

Wikipedia wrote:In 1988, when he was accompanied by American diplomats, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq's plane [Edit: in power from 1977 to 1988 after a coup] crashed in Pakistan under mysterious circumstances. No proof to date could be brought to accredit the thesis of an assassination ordered or not by a foreign force.


In 1988, the National Assembly elected Benazir Bhutto after legislative elections. Then she was removed from office by President Ghulam Ishaq Khan in 1990. There followed the elections which brought Nawaz Sharif to the post of Prime Minister, until his dismissal in 1993 by President Ghulam Ishaq Khan. Then Benazir Bhutto found his seat as Prime Minister until 1996 when she was forced into exile. Nawaz Sharif was again Prime Minister in 1997, until the coup d'etat of Pervez Musharraf in 1999, then "election" in June 2001, "it fell well": just three months before 9/11 ....
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by Christophe » 23/08/10, 12:48

Obamot wrote:Again you do well to say and remember it, especially since like Afghanistan, it is a tribal country ...

I did not speak for the future ...

I was talking about the past! (Perfect tense.)


Yes I understood correctly but precisely in 1978, just before the fall of the shah, we could very well have said: Iran has always been pro-American ...

It's everything I wanted to say...
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by Obamot » 23/08/10, 12:52

Aaah but that ... Okay! This is what happens when we meddle in the affairs of others ... : Shock: We push the plug ... more and more ...

It's a bit like a bottle of champagne ... The cork ends up going crazy in a way ... completely ... unexpected!
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by Christophe » 23/08/10, 12:54

Well generally "we" meddle in the affairs of others because, directly or not, it concerns ours ...

No interference is disinterested ...

There’s just gossip and shopping between neighbors that are probably only curiosity : Mrgreen:
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by tuttikullikum » 23/08/10, 13:02

Christophe wrote:And there are more and more Islamic extremists ... (necessarily hate calls hate) ... and there is even a country that has nuclear weapons: Pakistan ... which potentially can quickly be much more dangerous than Iran if "madmen" take power there ...


This is an argument which has been launched by the Zionists and which is starting to turn.

I like how we play with the people.
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by Christophe » 23/08/10, 13:15

Am not Zionist ... I'm just trying to see a little bit further than the raw news of the news ...
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by Obamot » 23/08/10, 13:30

I didn't understand it like that. However, it is a fact that the manipulation (or legitimate orientation?) Of public opinion for warlike ends has often been the last fuse to blast, allowing the outbreak of armed conflicts. This in order to gain some sort of membership to give them, if it were not a "moral guarantee", at least one "legitimacy".

Therefore, what should we think of the denomination of "Just war"?

Already at the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent III had launched a crusade against the Cathars by order of the French royal family. To obtain membership, heretics had been reported. In fact, the crusade was a war of conquest disguised as a campaign against heresy.

Wikipedia wrote:September 24 [Edit: 2001], Pope John Paul II recognizes a "right to self-defense" in the United States. Thus, within a few days, the United States was assured of broad international support, leaving it the possibility of retaliating.
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by Christophe » 23/08/10, 13:46

There is no oil in Pakistan anyway ... and it is not very interesting strategically I think ... : Idea:

In fact, the crusade was a war of conquest disguised as a campaign against heresy.


You could very well transpose it now:

In fact, the crusade was a war of conquest disguised as a campaign against terrorism.


So Bush, the last crusader? :|
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