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by Christophe » 30/10/17, 14:29

And here are the critics of the French Academy ... What bigre is A FEMININE institution !! How do you say Academy masculine? Academic? : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

http://www.academie-francaise.fr/actual ... -inclusive

Declaration of the French Academy on so-called "inclusive" writing

The 26 October 2017

Declaration of the French Academy


DECLARATION of the ACADÉMIE FRANÇAISE
on so-called "INCLUSIVE" WRITING
unanimously adopted by its members
in the session of Thursday 26 October 2017


Taking note of the spread of an "inclusive writing" that claims to be the norm, the French Academy unanimously raises a solemn warning. The multiplication of the orthographic and syntactic marks that it induces leads to a disunited language, disparate in its expression, creating a confusion which borders on illegibility. It is difficult to see what the objective is and how it could overcome the practical obstacles of writing, reading - visual or aloud - and pronunciation. It would weigh on the task of the pedagogues. This would further complicate that of readers.

More than any other institution, the French Academy is sensitive to developments and innovations in the language, since its mission is to codify them. On this occasion, it is less a guardian of the norm than a guarantor of the future that it raises a cry of alarm: before this "inclusive" aberration, the French language is now in mortal danger, which our nation is now accountable to future generations.

It is already difficult to acquire a language, what will happen if the use adds to it second and altered forms? How will future generations grow in intimacy with our written heritage? As for the promises of the Francophonie, they will be destroyed if the French language prevents itself by this duplication of complexity, for the benefit of other languages ​​that will take advantage to prevail on the planet.
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by Christophe » 30/10/17, 22:34

A language that does not speak is not one, as this nice article makes it clear ... finally more convincing than the text of the Academy: http://blogs.lexpress.fr/le-choix-des-m ... eologique/

Case closed ... trash!
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by Remundo » 31/10/17, 08:50

Christophe wrote:Here I learned 2 words thank you: autrice, painter : Cheesy:

Uh today we rather say "author" no?

perso, I prefer author to autrice. And in the Middle Ages, it was said philosophess, but some found it was a little cucu. : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 31/10/17, 17:01

Philosoph.f.esse Cu.l.cu.l do you mean rather?

Here is the first sentence that I understand better in inclusive than in normal language! Mouhahahah, thank you Remundo I had a good laugh! mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 31/10/17, 19:20

Here is the kind of argument feministSS pro inclusive writing ...big no matter what!

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by Ahmed » 31/10/17, 20:12

It is a bad trial for the French language to accuse him of misogyny or, conversely, to think that it suffices to spread the inclusivity to fix everything. The language only reflects the prejudices of its speakers; Of course, I understand the argument: the language imbued with sexism becomes an agent that transmits the message insidiously and tends to perpetuate it. However, by confusing the consequence and the cause, we condemn ourselves to superficial and inefficient measures.
On the merits, what is disturbing in categorical social criticism is that, by undermining discrimination, it obscures what is profoundly common and can not be reduced to the sum of the parts. It is not by giving corporative advantages to one category or another that it will be possible to make society more satisfying: on the contrary, this division only confirms what constitutes the essence of the problem. The treatment of women is only a variant of socially constructed inequalities.

There is a structural ambiguity peculiar to capitalism: on the one hand, the need to suppress all particularism so that all are delivered from the old constraints (sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia ...) in order to be more perfectly subject to that. the market, on the other hand, to maintain or create others in order to prosper inequalities that are opportunities for those who encourage them to maximize their profit.
To sum up, let us say that theory makes the ideological presupposition of total egalitarianism at the starting point, but that the dominant agents can not do without contradicting it as soon as they proclaim it ...
On the question of women, it is clear that they internalize two constraints: first, to fulfill her role of groom and domestic service to the male (so that she can fully indulge in his own, which is to be a work force or combat) then, become together a producer, like the male ...
The oscillation between these two poles is particularly uncomfortable ...
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by Remundo » 01/11/17, 14:48

Christophe wrote:And another example that shows the debility of (the generalization of) the idea:

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and still it does not go, the fountain is a feminine name, which can discriminate women (fountains!).

It is also necessary to change the name of the Author, Jean.ne of the faucet in neutral pH fountain, so as to perfect equality (arism) between all genres (and even degenerates, no discrimination!). : Mrgreen:
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by Ahmed » 01/11/17, 18:44

We must carefully distinguish between the general (which remains to be defined), categorial and individual equality.
The categorical demand does not really aim at equality, but only at equality of opportunity for individuals belonging to the discriminated category to establish an inequality which would be favorable to them. Thus, for women or blacks, to access levels of domination usually reserved for men or whites ... There are already representatives of these categories who have managed to "impose" among their male colleagues or some. suburban beurs who are shown as an example, as if their "success" in excluding others could constitute a desirable and generalizable model!
Thus, far from seeking a global emancipation that would presuppose a consciousness of general alienation, the reality of these struggles condemned to immanence leads them only to the homogenization of the framework of domination.

These claims are expressed inside of a system of domination and the latter is not called into question, only its methods of application.
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by dirk pitt » 06/11/17, 16:16

this is UN mannequin

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this is UNE star

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-drawn from the article cited above-

it reminds me of a Magdane skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTiYkHufzrQ
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